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#6236892 - 02/29/12 Which 1911????
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Back in the market for a 1911 of some sort. Have had a couple Kimbers, and while I know they had some feeding and jamming problems early on, I never had an ounce of trouble out of either I previously owned. I sold them or traded them off in all my loonyism. Would like something small, easily carrying size in a .45. Haven't kept up with the times on the 1911's, so talk away.

Have several revolvers in different shapes and makes, but its not complete without a good 1911.

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#6236915 - 02/29/12 Re: Which 1911???? [Re: joshf303]
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Originally Posted By: joshf303
Back in the market for a 1911 of some sort. Have had a couple Kimbers, and while I know they had some feeding and jamming problems early on, I never had an ounce of trouble out of either I previously owned. I sold them or traded them off in all my loonyism. Would like something small, easily carrying size in a .45. Haven't kept up with the times on the 1911's, so talk away.

Have several revolvers in different shapes and makes, but its not complete without a good 1911.
I never like it when I read that someone is looking for a 1911 and wants something small. You're asking for trouble right off the bat if you buy a chopped down 1911. The smallest I would ever recommend would be a Commander, i.e., 4.25" barrel. The shorter you go, the more critical timing becomes for reliability, i.e., the smaller the velocity window for the slide operation, which means the springs have to be just the right weight for everything to work just right to produce reliable function.
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#6237054 - 03/01/12 Re: Which 1911???? [Re: The_Real_Hawkeye]
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Originally Posted By: The_Real_Hawkeye
Originally Posted By: joshf303
Back in the market for a 1911 of some sort. Have had a couple Kimbers, and while I know they had some feeding and jamming problems early on, I never had an ounce of trouble out of either I previously owned. I sold them or traded them off in all my loonyism. Would like something small, easily carrying size in a .45. Haven't kept up with the times on the 1911's, so talk away.

Have several revolvers in different shapes and makes, but its not complete without a good 1911.
I never like it when I read that someone is looking for a 1911 and wants something small. You're asking for trouble right off the bat if you buy a chopped down 1911. The smallest I would ever recommend would be a Commander, i.e., 4.25" barrel. The shorter you go, the more critical timing becomes for reliability, i.e., the smaller the velocity window for the slide operation, which means the springs have to be just the right weight for everything to work just right to produce reliable function.


Commander slide with an alloy Officer's frame is the CCW 1911 ticket. If you think you need something smaller, you don't want a 1911,IMO. I would only buy a S&W if I were buying an alloy frame.

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#6237077 - 03/01/12 Re: Which 1911???? [Re: Take_a_knee]
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Kimber Pro Carry ll. Alloy frame 4 inch 45ACP with full size grip frame. I wish I still had mine.
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#6237453 - 03/01/12 Re: Which 1911???? [Re: safariman]
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Colt XSE Lightweight Commander in 45 ACP. I'll never sell mine.
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#6237619 - 03/01/12 Re: Which 1911???? [Re: MIVHNTR]
joshf303 Offline
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Yeah...Im not thinking anything under 4 in on the barrel length. More than likely, the amount of time it would be used as a CCW would be minimal, but would like it to fit that role if I wanted to change flavors. I have a neat little SW Airweight that I like.

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#6237733 - 03/01/12 Re: Which 1911???? [Re: joshf303]
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Most bang for the buck in my opinion would be the STI Spartan IV.

Kimber Pro Carry II if you want to spend the cash.

Can't go wrong either way but will have money leftover if you go the STI route.
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#6237765 - 03/01/12 Re: Which 1911???? [Re: joshf303]
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Colt introduced the CCO (Concealed Carry Officers) some years ago, and attracted a lot of interest. It has the Commander slide on an officer frame, giving reliability with concealability.

Talo distributors commissioned a re-issue - they call it simply the Commander Lightweight:

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=275803960

FWIW the Les Baer Stinger is also a Commander length slide with officers frame, although they cost a lot more. smile This is my Concept X, a limited edition of the Stinger:

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#6237848 - 03/01/12 Re: Which 1911???? [Re: tex_n_cal]
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I could "LEARN" to like that one! smile
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#6237877 - 03/01/12 Re: Which 1911???? [Re: MontanaCreekHunter]
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My big mitts would have a hard time with the shortened grip frame, but for some - maybe even most - that might be the ticket. NICE looking pistola, Tex n Cal!
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#6237895 - 03/01/12 Re: Which 1911???? [Re: MontanaCreekHunter]
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Yeah..would be a rough venture, but someones gotta do it. That is NICE for sure. Is the "old" Kimber feeding issue a thing of the past, something they have worked out or are some still having that issue. I say old, the last Kimber pistol I got rid of was 6-7 yrs ago, at that time it was blamed on "tight tolerances" that worked itself out with a little "break in" time.

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#6238190 - 03/01/12 Re: Which 1911???? [Re: joshf303]
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A month or so ago I was in the local funshop, when a young man walked up to the 1911 counter. His new Kimber was jamming, and then the safety broke. They gave him his money back. Short answer, no I think Kimber still has issues. Some of them run fine, but I think other brands have better batting averages.
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#6238224 - 03/01/12 Re: Which 1911???? [Re: safariman]
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Originally Posted By: safariman
My big mitts would have a hard time with the shortened grip frame, but for some - maybe even most - that might be the ticket. NICE looking pistola, Tex n Cal!


Thanks, it is indeed a remarkable piece. Hard chromed slide, Novak-style night sights, rear of slide serrated, alloy frame, ramped barrel to protect the frame, and typical Baer fit, finish, & trigger. What little I have shot it, it also ran 100% grin
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#6238430 - 03/01/12 Re: Which 1911???? [Re: safariman]
Rick n Tenn Offline
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Originally Posted By: safariman
Kimber Pro Carry ll. Alloy frame 4 inch 45ACP with full size grip frame. I wish I still had mine.


The Kimber CDP II is very nice to carry also has the alloy frame.


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#6238541 - 03/01/12 Re: Which 1911???? [Re: Rick n Tenn]
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Kimber Pro Crimson Carry II owner here. Love it!
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#6238742 - 03/01/12 Re: Which 1911???? [Re: tex_n_cal]
EthanEdwards Offline
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Originally Posted By: tex_n_cal
Colt introduced the CCO (Concealed Carry Officers) some years ago, and attracted a lot of interest. It has the Commander slide on an officer frame, giving reliability with concealability.

Talo distributors commissioned a re-issue - they call it simply the Commander Lightweight:

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=275803960

FWIW the Les Baer Stinger is also a Commander length slide with officers frame, although they cost a lot more. smile This is my Concept X, a limited edition of the Stinger:

I think I saw one of those at the gunshow last weekend. It may have been the full-size equivalent though. I forget. The guy had that and a Special Forces which was full-size.
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#6239248 - 03/01/12 Re: Which 1911???? [Re: EthanEdwards]
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I handled the S&W Gunsite Bobtail with Sc frame and it was a peach.



Edited by supercrewd (03/01/12)
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#6239574 - 03/01/12 Re: Which 1911???? [Re: MIVHNTR]
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Originally Posted By: MIVHNTR
Colt XSE Lightweight Commander in 45 ACP. I'll never sell mine.


Wow! A Ford guy AND a Colt guy! Isn't it great to reach life's pinnacle? grin

Generally, I agree with the 4.25 minimum barrel length for a 1911 with one exception - Colt. Their 3 inch Defender series has received nothing but rave reviews on the 1911 forums. I also believe that Colt is currently turning out the finest 1911's in the company's history.
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#6239679 - 03/01/12 Re: Which 1911???? [Re: supercrewd]
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I own a Kimber Pro Carry. Been terrific and very accurate. Supercrewd -yeah I saw that SW Bobtail and do agree.
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#6239741 - 03/01/12 Re: Which 1911???? [Re: kenjs1]
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For the difference in price between the S&W bobtail & the Dan Wesson Guardian, I'd take the DW & I am a fan of S&W's 1911's.

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#6239772 - 03/01/12 Re: Which 1911???? [Re: MontanaMan]
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given that about 40 percent of the Kimber's dont run out of the box based on that survey on the 1911 website, (and I have a Kimber that works) I would go Colt or the E version of the Smith and Wesson scandium.

be careful buying used 1911s



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#6239820 - 03/01/12 Re: Which 1911???? [Re: jimmyp]
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Originally Posted By: jimmyp
given that about 40 percent of the Kimber's dont run out of the box based on that survey on the 1911 website...

....not doubting you jimmyp, but can you possibly give a link to that survey, I'd really like to have access to that info. Thanks.
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#6239888 - 03/01/12 Re: Which 1911???? [Re: gmoats]
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Originally Posted By: gmoats
Originally Posted By: jimmyp
given that about 40 percent of the Kimber's dont run out of the box based on that survey on the 1911 website...

....not doubting you jimmyp, but can you possibly give a link to that survey, I'd really like to have access to that info. Thanks.


http://forums.1911forum.com/showthread.php?t=252140

Read the first post to understand the survey, then scroll down to the second post for the summarized numbers.
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#6239981 - 03/01/12 Re: Which 1911???? [Re: tex_n_cal]
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Well, I have a hard time accepting that survey as being anything even CLOSE to valid. In the vernacular, it's about as useless as teats on a bull.

Self-report surveys are about the worst form of data gathering, statistically speaking, that you can get. People "misremember" according to their biases and prejudices (good and bad), for one thing; for another, the people who respond to self-report surveys tend to be cranky and dissatisfied compared to the general population.

But to address some specific problems with this particular survey:

1) There is NO definition of malfunction given, and no differentiation between TYPES of malfunctions. This point alone makes me want to puke all over the "study" and stop writing this post.

2) There is no provision for determining conditions. For example, was the gun field-stripped, cleaned, and lubricated properly prior to first firing? If so, how thoroughly? What type of lube was used?(I am AMAZED at the number of gun nuts who think WD40 is a good gun lube, as one observation.) At what temperature was the "testing" done? Was the gun cleaned sometime in between Round #1 and Round #300? If so, how? Was it relubed? Etc, etc, etc.

3) There is no provision for standardization of ammo. Cast bullet handloads using Bullseye or Unique are gonna gum up the works a lot quicker than WinClean.

4) There is no way to determine the experience or skill of the shooter. A tyro limp-wristing his first 1911 with hardball ammo has as much "say" in the survey as an expert armorer.

I could go on but I won't. I've already been accused by more than one 'Fire member of being a pompous, pontificating azzhole. But I make my living in a field that requires me to read a LOT of truly scientific, peer-reviewed material on a regular basis, and that requires me to sift through it critically; and even at this level, I have to throw out 80% of what I read in the journals as being useless crap, for reasons such as the brief summary I've written above.

So take my criticism of and absolute disdain for the 1911forums survey however you will. But if you use it to guide your choice in purchasing a firearm, you're going to get results that approximate the amount of thought you put into it when you read the "study", and don't come crying here when your choice turns out to be less than optimal.

Do yourself a favor. When you buy a new gun, ESPECIALLY an upper-end 1911, recognize that it's gonna have tight tolerances and it's gonna take you several hundred rounds to get the gun to work flawlessly. When you take it out of the box, strip it down and clean it thoroughly, then lube the crap out of it, fire a bunch of CLEAN ammo through it. Take it home, strip it down again, lube it again, and fire a bunch more CLEAN ammo through it. Keep doing that until you aren't experiencing any more malf's.

I wouldn't even DREAM of carrying a pistol for any kind of serious purpose, whether personal protection or competition, until I've put at least 200 bobble-free rounds through it. HINT: this means if it takes 800 rounds of ammo to get the frame-to-slide fit to settle in reliable, I'm not gonna carry it until I've put ANOTHER 200 trouble-free rounds through it.

End of rant...


Edited by DocRocket (03/01/12)
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