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#5414125 - 07/12/11 Re: 45/70 side by side [Re: MartyBoy]
Snowwolfe Offline
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Originally Posted By: MartyBoy
Tim Sundles of Buffalo Bore loads a 430 grain LBT hardened bullet at 1900fps, with 3,500 ME, which he says can be used safely in the SPR22.


While Tim may say this round is "safe" to use in a Baikal I am sure he is referring to the pressure maximum. These litte rifles are not designed for such bone jarring recoil and you will end up with a broken pile of parts.

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#5415170 - 07/12/11 Re: 45/70 side by side [Re: Snowwolfe]
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Snowwolfe - I would tent to agree with you on your last post. I'm pretty easy on mine. My reloads duplicate factory 405gr Rem loads and that's all I plan on using. If the gun breaks, I'll bet it will be hard to get parts for, if you can get them at all.

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#5422874 - 07/15/11 Re: It would make a great pumping handle for a car jack [Re: mauserand9mm]
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Originally Posted By: mauserand9mm
2 inches at that distance is quite good for a double in this price range, and you are lucky to get a good one. I know someone that got good accuracy but poor regulation (about a foot separation at 50yards) with his Baikal 45/70 and used the adjuster and shims to fix the regulation but lost accuracy out of one barrel (went to 4 inches at 50 yards).

Still, okay for hunting - could aim off if required. I forget the brand, but there was/is a company that makes a double barrel 45/70 with two rear sights as standard to handle the regulation issue ie one rear sight per barrel.



David Pedersoli I believe made something similar that was offered through Cabela's as well as a 72 cal BP double.
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#5844475 - 11/24/11 Re: It would make a great pumping handle for a car jack [Re: brinky72]
wbyman Offline
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Any new comments on these rifles ? I just bougth a new one in 45/70 should be here by Tuesday. Thanks.

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#5845982 - 11/25/11 Re: It would make a great pumping handle for a car jack [Re: wbyman]
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I bought one about 3 years ago. I had a gunsmith go through the triggers and the cocking mechanism so it would stay fully open without having to be held open - otherwise it took nearly three hands to load it. After that it now stays fully open when cocked without having to be held open and still retains the "half open" characteristic.

I've got a Nikon 1-4x20 mounted on it in a 22 rim fire base that has a set screw that happens to fall into the grove at the back of the rib - never has shot it loose and I've shot it a lot.

Played with a boat load of different loads and finally settled on just plain old Rem 405's at 1600fps. Got it regulated (took a lot of playing around with the jack screw and ..... a vice and large wrench - it is Russian after all) so that both barrels shot into a little more than a 2" circle at 100 yds.

Took it to Namibia last year to "blood" it on Gemsbok and Warthog. Don't know what happened between the last day on the range and the the proof shooting at the PH's range five days later but neither one of us could put both barrels on a typing sheet size target at 50 meters. Ended up just putting it back in the case. That was back in Aug and I still haven't looked at it. Guess this winter I'll get it out and try to sort out what happened and take it with me on next June's trip to Namibia.

The nicest part of it is the ability to use the jack screw to adjust the regulation to the load you want to shoot instead of having to adjust your loads to shoot where the barrels are regulated like on the high end doubles.

In any case it is fun as hell to shoot and I would use it on any plains game in Africa out to 150 yds and pretty much anything in North America.

Bottom line is once you get it sorted out how you want it (it will make you crazy in the process) you will have a ball with it.
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#5864644 - 11/30/11 Re: It would make a great pumping handle for a car jack [Re: M3taco]
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Thanks for the info. m3taco. Antbody else have any experience with the rifle ?

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#5924854 - 12/16/11 Re: It would make a great pumping handle for a car jack [Re: wbyman]
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wbyman - did you get your rifle. I'd like to hear how you like it. I didn't use mine for hunting this year, but I'm still having a ball at the range. Let us know what you think.

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#5957215 - 12/24/11 Re: 45/70 side by side [Re: salmonhead]
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While they work I would certainly consider them crude. One of my friends was invited to the birthday party hosted by Mr. Kalashnikov who developed the AK47. They hunted his estate for Red Deer with these double rifles. He was able to purchase a couple & sold me one. While I killed a couple of boar with mine the stock is a 2X4, action is stiff & crude, accuracy is poor, difficult to scope, & the regulation system is rube goldberg. Other than these deficiencies its a great rifle.
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#5957397 - 12/24/11 Re: 45/70 side by side [Re: tbear]
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tbear - if you are unhappy with your rifle, I'm sure you could sell it in about one second to one of the others like myself who are having a ball with ours. Then you could take what you get for this one, add several thousand dollars, and get one that you will be happy with. Or, you could accept that it was never meant to be a high dollar rifle, work up a load that is reasonably accurate (even the highest priced doubles have their own "special" load), and understand that the action will work its way in after a few boxes of shells. By the way, Warne scope mounts work well, as I'm sure many others will. When you look at it that way, you are right, it's a fine rifle. Just sayin.

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#5961056 - 12/25/11 Re: 45/70 side by side [Re: Abner]
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I have taken the rifle to several gun shows & there was no interest at any price. I work at many gun shows for our local SCI chapter & even displayed it several times in our booth. I wish you the best with yours, but in my area there is absolutely no interest. I have used a 416 Rigby bolt gun for African hunting & at this stage of my life will probably never get back to Africa again so a double isn't in my plans.
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#5961352 - 12/25/11 Re: 45/70 side by side [Re: tbear]
pod Offline
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ive had one for some time and i am well pleased with it. i regulated it at 50 yds. perfect 2 in. parellel spread. its not
as nice as my others but a great sxs dr. for the money. i also fitted mine with an 4x scope with detachable mts. by the way i also bought a remington hard case for it. a very nice combo.

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#5961917 - 12/25/11 Re: 45/70 side by side [Re: pod]
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pod - I bought a hard case made for a takedown gun for mine and fitted it with a 1.5-5X20 scope. I'll never hunt outside the U.S., but this gun has, for me, added a touch of Africa on my bear and pig hunts.

tbear - I see you are an NRA instructor. Thank you for your part in protecting our gun rights and teaching our future generations.

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#5965440 - 12/26/11 Re: 45/70 side by side [Re: Abner]
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abner: ill never hunt outside the u.s. either [ much to old] but have several sxs doub. rifles. that i hunt white tails with and like yourself like that stroll in la la land. my best

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#6217622 - 02/25/12 Re: 45/70 side by side [Re: Abner]
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This sorta died after Christmas, I have recently purchased a mp221 double 45-70. Seems like many here I will never get to Africa, but can imagine a cape buf in the scope. I have settled on a 405 cast with 38.5 gr of 3031. I was amazed at the regulation and how well the jack screw worked.I have read this along with other posts and find them very interesting. Just wanted to keep this post alive.
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#6221216 - 02/26/12 Re: 45/70 side by side [Re: xpilot]
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I just saw one of these at Rocky Mtn sports in Riverton, wy. It was around $850.

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#6223666 - 02/26/12 Re: 45/70 side by side [Re: Ralphie]
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XPILOT - I use a similar load 38gr. 3031 405gr. Rem JSP. Pretty much duplicates the factory loading. I'm still having a ball with mine. Although I didn't use it hunting this year, I plan on looking down those barrels at a black bear once again next year. I have used it for bear and elk so far and will use if for pigs when the chance comes. Have fun.

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#6223806 - 02/26/12 Re: 45/70 side by side [Re: Abner]
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Originally Posted By: Abner
Who, if anyone, makes scope rings and bases that will fit the 11mm dovetail mounting rail, that can take the recoil of the 45/70. All I have been able to find for the 3/8", 11mm dovetail are mounts for .22cal. rifles and airguns. I would prefer a quick disconnect set of rings, but that might be to much to ask. Any thoughts?


Did you try Tally Q.D.'s? I think they are 3/8" dovetail.
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#6242202 - 03/02/12 Re: 45/70 side by side [Re: Abner]
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Hey! What happened to the pictures. I really wanted to see it!
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#6249817 - 03/04/12 Re: 45/70 side by side [Re: byc]
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I'm not sure where they went. Give me a day or two and I'll load up a few and post them.

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#6269630 - 03/09/12 Re: 45/70 side by side [Re: byc]
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OK - I took some new pics and can't remember how I got the old ones downloaded. Some help would be appreciated. Where do I download the pics on the net to get them to download here?

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#6271141 - 03/09/12 Re: 45/70 side by side [Re: Abner]
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Photobucket is one of the better places to download.
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#6273664 - 03/10/12 Re: 45/70 side by side [Re: AkMike1]
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Here are a few pics of my double 45/70. They aren't the best, but it is what I have at the moment. I could only post one at a time, so sorry for the multiple posts.

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#6273677 - 03/10/12 Re: 45/70 side by side [Re: Abner]
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#6273686 - 03/10/12 Re: 45/70 side by side [Re: byc]
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