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#6269732 - 03/09/12 Re: Krieghoff Semprio [Re: pacecars]
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There are several critters running at the same time: stag herds, wild boar packs ...

And even with practice, sprinting games in front of the hounds are hard to properly hit.

Practicing (not mentioning the lack of training facilities), you shoot the target always at the same range, keeping its heading and speed, on flat ground with the same perpandicular trajectory, protected from weather conditions ... which never occurs in real hunting.
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#6269749 - 03/09/12 Re: pacecars [Re: pacecars]
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In country where I live hunting is mainly driven hunt with dogs and beaters...if from forrest on narrow line will run out 10 wild boar you need fast gun to call out as many you can...and the second and even better reason...if wounded and stopped by dogs over 300 lb wild boar will attack you in coppice the fast gun is the best friend you can have grin

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#6270259 - 03/09/12 Re: pacecars [Re: Motorist]
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I have plenty of experience running dogs for deer in Florida and have always found a bolt action fine for that even with shooting 2 deer in front of the dogs. I was just wondering if it was multiple animals. Admittedly my experience in driven hunts is limited to deer in front of dogs and they are usually not running flat out and will often times stop to listen to see where the dogs are. It would be fun to go on a mixed bag driven hunt.

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#6272353 - 03/10/12 Re: pacecars [Re: pacecars]
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Neat looking gun,not sure what it would do better than a 760/7600 but at any rate it is cool. Odd that in Europe you have many restrictions that we in America find ridiculous but yet we can't use suppressors while hunting!?
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#6281126 - 03/12/12 Re: pacecars [Re: brinky72]
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To Pacecars: Know Florida terrain, my friend is living in fort lauderdale. Haven't hunt there yet...probably next time when will visit him cool
To brinkey: europeans are less gun loony's then you guy's
in America and the suppressor is not only what is in some countries on backlisted. Probably from 2013 in Estonia where I'm living will be limitaion to semi-auto guns...you can have only
2 ammo in magazine sick.
Today we have limitations: normal bolt action or semi-auto can have magazine max 3 ammos...
minimum caliber for "large animals" (started from wild boar)
6x5mm and bullet from 140gr sick

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#6281143 - 03/12/12 Re: pacecars [Re: brinky72]
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Originally Posted By: brinky72
Odd that in Europe you have many restrictions that we in America find ridiculous but yet we can't use suppressors while hunting!?


It's ok for us to use suppressors BUT we cannot own two rifles of the same caliber, we have to have a competency certificate (open book written exam after lectures and a practical shoot) to own a firearm: sorry, what I meant to say was we need a competency certificate for each of the following; a handgun, bolt action rifle, shotgun, black powder rifle, etc. I am registered to conduct business in hunting which means I may own more than 4 (yes FOUR) firearms, but I also need a competency certificate to conduct business in hunting sick sick mad confused crazy

Firearms for personal use have licenses that are valid for 10 years, so after every 10 years I have to renew all those again. Firearms for business purposes have to be renewed every 5 years. Within the next 2 years I will have to appoint someone just to look at the renewals that need to be done.... sick

I have a suppressor for the 22 that works really great and I intend on keeping it.
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#6283972 - 03/13/12 Re: pacecars [Re: PieterKriel]
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For suppressors; Is there a license, tax etc required. I know you CAN get one here but the limitations make it more of a pain in the azz than what it's worth. I could get one and with my background I know it wouldn't be that difficult but I would want to use it for hunting and I believe that is a no no. It seems more acceptable in Europe that here. Everyone here thinks that you're going to assassinate someone thanks to Hollywood. Maybe I will do some digging into it and make it a project. There was a gunwriter in one of the rags I read that had a suppressed bolt rifle in 6mm Creedmoor (based on a necked down 6.5 Creedmoor) That would be a fun little gun and easy on the ears.
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#6283994 - 03/13/12 Re: pacecars [Re: brinky72]
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Back to the rifle. How strong is the action? I would assume with the reputable name it is of stout construction but does it compare to a bolt or single shot as far as reloading concerns? It's a very classy looking rig and in 9.3x62 I can't imagine a better rifle for thick cover bear and deer thumper. What was the price tag? 2,000 Euros? What is that in dollars now that Greece is defaulting? Any hope for a good exchange rate?
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#6286408 - 03/13/12 Re: pacecars [Re: brinky72]
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Originally Posted By: brinky72
For suppressors; Is there a license, tax etc required.


Nope. Cash at the gun dealer. Only thing he is interested in is the diameter of the barrel and if you have front sights or not. It is available in a number of calibers, starting at the 22 and up to a 308 I saw the other day. Some you have to have a thread cut in the barrel and some come with an adaptor. When I shoot subsonics in the 22 we have ages of fun shooting doves and francolin from a bow blind without disturbing the game. Well game that is not right at the blind anyway.
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#6286499 - 03/13/12 Re: pacecars [Re: brinky72]
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Originally Posted By: brinky72
2,000 Euros? What is that in dollars now that Greece is defaulting? Any hope for a good exchange rate?


2000 euros is not the price of the semprio. Depending on the finish options, IIRC, the standard rifle's MRSP (without scope mount) is above 3000 euros. Maybe you can get one reduced at 2500 + mount, it would cost more than 3500 USD + export costs.

Don't you have Krieghoff dealers in the US ?
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#6288197 - 03/14/12 Re: pacecars [Re: grand_veneur]
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PeterKriel; now I wan't one. That would be too much fun zipping annoying red squirrels and not disturbing any deer in the general area.
grand veneur, just poking a little fun and I'm sure there are Kriefhoff dealers around but chances are they would chastise me for not buying a Winchester or Weatherby instead.
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#6289239 - 03/14/12 Re: pacecars [Re: brinky72]
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Grand Veveur, the price tag over 3000 euro + mount and nice swarovski or zeiss scoop make total price 5000 euro..this was main reason for me to not buy extra one or change Blaser...
Brinky there is nothing bad in Weatherby...at least old one's. Have Saure-Weatherby in caliber 9,3x64 from 70's and it perform outstanding. Don't know today's Weatherby quality but old are make with heart...

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#6289251 - 03/14/12 Re: pacecars [Re: brinky72]
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Originally Posted By: brinky72
PeterKriel; now I wan't one. That would be too much fun zipping annoying red squirrels and not disturbing any deer in the general area.
grand veneur, just poking a little fun and I'm sure there are Kriefhoff dealers around but chances are they would chastise me for not buying a Winchester or Weatherby instead.


I go ruger, and winchester myself wink
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#6289259 - 03/14/12 Re: pacecars [Re: Motorist]
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Originally Posted By: Motorist
Grand Veveur, the price tag over 3000 euro + mount and nice swarovski or zeiss scoop make total price 5000 euro..this was main reason for me to not buy extra one or ...


This is à very reasonable price for many hunters around here, and cheap for some crazy

Night hunts deserve very good optics, and games we can find in daylight are just rare, but There is so much exaggeration in factory guns value.
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#6289605 - 03/14/12 Re: pacecars [Re: grand_veneur]
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Quote:
This is à very reasonable price for many hunters around here, and cheap for some

Here in Estonia the "value" of semprio in shop is over 4000 euro...do it mean that Estonain gun sellers are more greeye grin
Mine Blaser combined with red dot Kahles have help'd me out nearly every time grin but personally like more driven hunt...more fun and suspence laugh.

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#6289903 - 03/14/12 Re: pacecars [Re: Motorist]
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If you really crunch the numbers and consider all factors; if you only had one gun and bought a real quality firearm such as the Krieghoff it would equate to less money that I've spent on my other rifles combined. And compared to others I have very few rifles, four as of now including my 22lr.
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#6290372 - 03/14/12 Re: pacecars [Re: brinky72]
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Modularity is part of the concept in the idea to provide you an all-around gun.

But for the price of an additional barrel you could buy a remington 700 or a winchester 70.

Plus if the concept is good for moving targets the rifle is not easy to use while hunting from high stan, stalking with shooting sticks or shooting from prone position (then the reloading routine is a problem) and the calibers offer is not wide enough to cover african needs.
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#6290738 - 03/14/12 Re: pacecars [Re: grand_veneur]
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+1 with GV

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#6293501 - 03/15/12 Re: pacecars [Re: brinky72]
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to Brinky: Krieghoff quality is good but not always as we think. Have one (drilling). It takes 3 weeks to my gunsmith to put all 3 barrels to run same 3 inc at 50 meeters...It's good for wild boar driven hunt, but not good in frost below 0 F. It's OK for moose and elk but 30-06 or 9,3x64 are better. Have also caliber adapter 22mag for 16 cal. shotgun barrel and all together it make a nice gentlemen gun for nearly everything what run in our forrest.
Have also several other caliber but mainly use 30-06 blaser as this run for everything...


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#6293854 - 03/15/12 Re: pacecars [Re: Motorist]
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Nice to see there are some posts in this thread.

You guys are getting to old, anything new and unfamiliar scares the living daylight out of you. (just joking)

Using a shooting stick and the Semprio is not the perfect combination but its not impossible to do. Shooting laying on the ground or with an armrest is no problem at all. It just takes a few rounds to get used to.

I was quite sceptical trying this gun for the first time but I cant see much disadvantages in close range driven hunt with the Semprio.

The only thing my R8 does better is with the shooting stick.

Paal

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#6297255 - 03/16/12 Re: pacecars [Re: grand_veneur]
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The Semprio is chambered in 375 ruger.

I have never been in africa and will probably never go there hunting but found this out of curiosity:
http://www.rifleshootermag.com/2011/01/04/ammunition_375ruger_061207/

Looks like they are doing ok.

Hopefully one of the big american companies like Remington Ruger i.e. will make their own version of the "inline repeater" for like 500USD. That would make it easier to enjoy the consept for a lot more hunters.

Paal


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#6327935 - 03/24/12 Re: pacecars [Re: PaalDalen]
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Remington has for about 60 years now, the 760/7600 pump rifles. Very popular in the North East and PA. You can get one on the Used gun rack for about 400 dollars. And some guys have a gunsmith do a rebuild on them for what they really want. You could go nuts with them and not spend the kind of money the Krieghoff costs.
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#6328554 - 03/24/12 Re: pacecars [Re: gmsemel]
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Motorist; nice looking rig. I' ve always liked the doubles and drilling but never the funds for one. If I could it would be either a 375 flanged or a 9.3x74 in a H&H rifle. I guess when I win the lotto....
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#6332728 - 03/25/12 Re: pacecars [Re: brinky72]
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An R1 is a better rifle for a lot less money.

A Mekel SR 1 is a better rifle for a lot less money.

The latter can be had on 9.3x62.

Only backward anti-gun laws keep anyone hunting big game with a manually operated rifle.

The former and latter:



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