Home Forums Hunting & Shooting BPCR 1st BPCR, Maker and Caliber?

i stop at Shiloh whenever i go through Big Timber trying to convince the wife to let me get one.....i want a 50 but i want to hunt with it more than punch paper......the 45's excel over the 50's for long range paper punching told by those who know, including those listed by Jorge.....

fit and finish on Shiloh's guns rival any custom gun ive had my hands on.....the Italian's seem to be functional guns but the fit and finish is no where close to Shiloh....plus as you say they hold their value very well should you decide you dont like it....

Well, Shiloh Sharps it is. Now for caliber.

I have a 45-110 and recoil is nothing compared to my 450NE Biebs. Sharpsguy recommends the 45/70 and that speaks volumes. I'd split the difference and go with a 45/90. Easier to load than the 110, and just as deadly.

Were I choosing my first or only BPCR:

If I just planned to hunt, or shoot to a max of silhouette range, i.e. 547 yards, I'd go with a .45-70.

If I planned to shoot to longer distances, I'd go with the .45-90.

Can't go wrong with either, as Jorge noted.

Paul

10-4, thanks. There is one solution....buy 2 of them! :-)

If you're going to go away from your 50-90 dream, I would suggest maybe take a look at the 44-77 if you're into doing things just a bit different.

Forgot to put in my post above that, HEPBURNS RULE!!

Glad to hear you decided on the Shiloh.

Well, yeah, if you fancy a toilet flush lever on the side of your receiver.

Seriously, my interest in Hepburns was piqued a bit when I learned that they are fairly easy to set up for lefties.

Paul

Know a guy who will make ya lefty.

Ranch13, yes, I talked to a guy who has several Shiloh Sharps rifles, and he was HOT on a 44/77 as his nest "Must Have" Sharps. A bit of history and nostalgia with that one.

Paul CSA has a left handed flushhandled roller on the available list right now, not sure of the chambering tho....

Biebs I wanted a 44-77 for 40 years, finally decided to get it done, and now feel really bad for waiting all those years....

Just remembered Biebs, got a bud that has a C Sharps Highwall in 40-65, with a heck of a nice sight set that comes with it.

What do you knowledgeable hands think of this cartridge for hunting and targets?

It has a few match stickers on the buttstock, and it can be bought right

Gunner

Gunner there nothing wrong with a 40-65, but in the long range stuff, 600+ yds, it can have some troubles if the wind get's up.

Another of our esteemed members here, is Evil Twin who incidentally gave me my 110 Sharps. He has an original that is cool beyond words. He recently got a 44-90 and loves it. Hopefully he'll chime in.

My son has a .40-65 that he uses for silhouettes. Works well. It's basically a necked down .45-70. I had the same rifle, but had mine rechambered to .40-82, which is the .45-90 necked down. To be clear, mine is the .40-82 Silhouette, which I believe is the version that Shiloh offers as a chambering. It is not the same as the old .40-82 Winchester.

Both can work well at longer ranges, but it can be a bit tricky. Takes just the right bullet, etc. Custom barrels in such chamberings sometimes have faster twists, to help stability at longer ranges.

My .40-82 drives a 417 gr. bullet at about 1330 fps. That is fast for a BPCR, but not to an extreme. Nevertheless, those in the vicinity note (complain?) that it has a really sharp report.

Paul

Me too...

Many Thanks Gents, I would think a 40 cal bullet of some 400+ grains would fly good and still hit with game anchoring authority, does anybody know if you can Paper Patch for 40 caliber cartridges?

And bottom line, is this rifle worth 2 bills out the door, IIRC bud said the tang and globe sights with all the different inserts are worth 700 dollars alone.

Gunner

Maybe, but I'd want to know the exact brand of the sights. $700 sounds like a high estimate, especially for used sights. A top brand quality tang sight of the Soule variety sells new for around $500-550. A globe front sight maybe $150, unless it is windage adjustable, then a bit more. Again, that's new, top of the line. Check out Montana Vintage Arms catalog online for current prices.

I believe that Shiloh supplies MVA sights as original equipment, and they are top of the line, the benchmark. I don't know who makes sights for C. Sharps, or if the sights on that rifle came with it new. I believe that C. Sharps has used different brands over the years, but I can't vouch for it.

As for the rifle itself, I'd check the C. Sharps catalog for current retail, and go from there.

Paul

Thanks Paul, this was someones match rifle, and i'm no expert on sights by far, but they are very, very nice. IIRC the front sight has a bubble level in it

Gunner

Gunner, no offense, but you really can't tell just how good a sight is just by eyeballing it. You really have to know how it's made, and that means the "innards", which is where the reputation of the maker comes in. Just like BPCRs themselves, there are some really nice looking examples that aren't so great inside.

A globe front sight with spirit level is pretty standard too, and not really indicative of quality or value.

Paul