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#6446851 - 04/26/12 03:18 PM TDS reticle?
MasterBlaster Offline
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Why aren't more scopes offered with this reticle? It seems like it's only currently available in certain model S & B's. Why doesn't Swarovski offer them anymore?

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#6447655 - 04/26/12 06:52 PM Re: TDS reticle? [Re: MasterBlaster]
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The TDS evolved into the BR, which evolved into the BRX and BRH.

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#6447775 - 04/26/12 07:17 PM Re: TDS reticle? [Re: marinetowgunner01]
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Originally Posted By: marinetowgunner01
The TDS evolved into the BR, which evolved into the BRX and BRH.


Only because from what i understand there was a financial dispute with T.D. Smith

I think the tds reticle in ffp is the best long range reticle there is. The others you mention are only available in sfp as far as i know

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#6447841 - 04/26/12 07:31 PM Re: TDS reticle? [Re: ShortMagFan]
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Yep you're right.

I've never had an issue with the reticle being SFP. I usually shoot on high mag if I'm using the reticle so it really isn't an issue for me.

I could however understand if someone was using an optic with a crazy high magnification might have an issue.

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#6447897 - 04/26/12 07:44 PM Re: TDS reticle? [Re: marinetowgunner01]
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I like the TDS. Had one in a Swaro 6-18x50. The complaint was hunting with a bipod, trying to make a 385 yd. shot on an antelope. For the TDS to work, the scope needed to be on full power. 18X on a bipod creates a problem trying to hold the rifle still. I made the shot, but when I got home, I traded that scope for a turret scope and have been spinning turrets since.

With a turret, the power setting and range are independent. Power can be set for best view, turret turned to the correct range.

On another hunt, using a Burris with Ballistic reticle, I was deer hunting and the sun was setting. At full power, the light transmission was so bad, I couldn't see. If I cut the power down enough to see, the ballistic reticle was no longer accurate.

Needless to say, I'm out of the ballistic reticle business, although I would agree that the TDS is one of the best of its kind.

DF

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#6448029 - 04/26/12 08:18 PM Re: TDS reticle? [Re: Dirtfarmer]
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Originally Posted By: Dirtfarmer
I like the TDS. Had one in a Swaro 6-18x50. The complaint was hunting with a bipod, trying to make a 385 yd. shot on an antelope. For the TDS to work, the scope needed to be on full power. 18X on a bipod creates a problem trying to hold the rifle still. I made the shot, but when I got home, I traded that scope for a turret scope and have been spinning turrets since.

With a turret, the power setting and range are independent. Power can be set for best view, turret turned to the correct range.

On another hunt, using a Burris with Ballistic reticle, I was deer hunting and the sun was setting. At full power, the light transmission was so bad, I couldn't see. If I cut the power down enough to see, the ballistic reticle was no longer accurate.

Needless to say, I'm out of the ballistic reticle business, although I would agree that the TDS is one of the best of its kind.

DF


None of those problems exist with a first focal plane ranging reticle. But in a 2nd focal plane, the issues you experienced are for real

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#6448123 - 04/26/12 08:57 PM Re: TDS reticle? [Re: ShortMagFan]
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shortmagfan, have you used a S & B with the TDS? Does the reticle subtend a lot of the target area on deer size game?

I ask because I have two Z6's with the TDS, but like Dirtfarmer I hate having to crank the scopes up to max for the reticle to work properly. I'm looking at buying an S & B Klassic with the TDS I was just worried about the the thickness of the crosshairs at distance on smaller southern deer.

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#6448458 - 04/27/12 03:47 AM Re: TDS reticle? [Re: MasterBlaster]
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Originally Posted By: MasterBlaster
shortmagfan, have you used a S & B with the TDS? Does the reticle subtend a lot of the target area on deer size game?

I ask because I have two Z6's with the TDS, but like Dirtfarmer I hate having to crank the scopes up to max for the reticle to work properly. I'm looking at buying an S & B Klassic with the TDS I was just worried about the the thickness of the crosshairs at distance on smaller southern deer.


I have never owned an s&b scope but did have a Swarovski ph with first focal plane TDs reticle. It does subtend more of the target but I could shoot milk jugs at 600 yards no problem and shot some of my best groups at 100 with it. There has been one for sale here on the classifieds recently for a great price. I have. Een tempted myself to buy it a few times

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#6448503 - 04/27/12 04:21 AM Re: TDS reticle? [Re: ShortMagFan]
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I have FFP and SFP TDS reticles in Kahles (SFP), Swaro (FFP in PH and SFP in Z6) and Schmidt and Bender FFP.

For hunting I like the FFP it's simpler and accurate regardless of power. My SFP scopes are 12x max power and most are 10 tops.

Don't want to start a match here but in my opinion the TDS in the FFP is the slickest arrangement when used in combination with a good range finder that comps for angle to take high probability shots out to 600 yards. Certainly, turrets and heavy rifles with more power can be used for longer shots, but that much more specialized than typical stalk and shoot hunting. I have very successfully used a KAHLES 3.5 -10 SFP TDS in Africa on a 300 Win Mag to take a lot of game. But as another post above says when I relied on the TDS drop compensation stdia bars I was at 10X, my other shots were all close so I could use the main crosshair and compensate for the 200yd zero (which wasn't tooo often needed witha 1.3" high 100yd setting). My last trip the rifle wore the 4-16 S&B and I made some of the best shots I've made in the wide open grassy flats. Also got a Jackal running at between 250 and 300 on the second shot. The scope as I recall was on about 6-7x, but that mag didn't really matter because it's FFP.

I prefer the FFP to the second. I do not find the subtension a handicap for hunting. I guess for BR competition you might want a thinner x-hair. After all in FFP the subtension is constant across power. It's the SFP that subtension changes.

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#6448518 - 04/27/12 04:35 AM Re: TDS reticle? [Re: hairbol]
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Well said hairbol. Also worth mentioning the Ffp reticle is sweet in low light

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