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Depends on which Barnes you're shooting.

Also, given the brute strength of a Barnes TTSX you can use a significantly light bullet and still be assured of complete penetration.

The lighter bullet at higher speed often more than makes up for any BC advantage of the VLD.

I love my Bergers and my Barnes and have a bunch of both.

An article written by one company's marketing department criticizing another company's marketing department doesn't really do much for me.

If I was regularly shooting at over 500 yards, I'd maybe try Bergers. If not, I like the TTSX just fine.

Bergers are just the lasted fad some will drink the koolaid some won't.

Nosler Ballistic Tip is the best of both worlds IMO.

You have wisdom beyond your years. See you in about 7 weeks or so?

Dober

Just read the whole article, I still think bullets like the Nosler Accubond and Partition offer the best of both worlds reliable expansion and penetration. In my new 35 Whelen I will be trying 200 gr bullets this year the Accubond for longer ranges and the TTSX for moose up close. I do question the TTSX's expansion at longer ranges but have liked what the Barnes bullets do at normal range. Not sure if I will try the Berger I want a bullet I can trust for the times we run into grizzlies at close range while hunting other stuff. I do agree Barnes article was definitely biased the Accubonds and Bergers can be very accurate, if they had been more objective in their testing they might actually find themselves selling more bullets, people can see right though that stuff.

The thing that scares me is what happens to the berger if it hits a twig or even high grass before impact. Just cant warm up to a somewhat fragile hollow point hitting even light debris before having to do its penetrate then explode scenario.

48 days and counting!
BTW I took a new 6mm Remington out the other day and tried three different powder charges of RL-22 in one grain increments and and 95gr BT's. All of them shot around a inch with the best one at a hair over .5". I loaded up 50 more of that charge and shot several more groups at the range and not one was over 3/4". I can sleep with that and load development is done on that rig...

If you hit an obstruction before the target there is a good chance your going to miss, unless the obstruction is right in front of the animal. Even then the pullet will likely not enter point on.

How big a bore do you need to shoot a pullet? Are Rhode Island Reds stout enough, or are one of the newer hybrids taht much better?

I'm tired of all this election year blather.
"I'm right and everybody else is wrong"
"Oh yeah, you're wrong and what I believe is the last word!!"
"Phoie, you're both wrong! Vote third party!"

Sometimes yes and sometimes no. This is the kind of statement that could start another big debate. You can't always catch an animal in perfect, sterile wide open tundras and fields. Hunting power lines or logging trails they are often standing in the "hairy edge".
Here in Wis I'd venture a guess that more bullets that kill animals have indeed hit some form of debris on it's way to a target than not.

Then your sending lead down range and hoping for the best IMO.

Now thats funny!

.277 130 gr. Barnes TSX @ 3,000 FPS = 59.8" drift (30mph) at 500yds
.277 130 gr. Berger @ 3,000 FPS = 56.5" drift (30mph) at 500yds


Wow, there are some wind reading [bleep] here. Pick one that gets your rocks off and shoot it. The rest is bullshcit, as per usual.....

Wow, learn a lesson here bud.

Due to the 25 and 27 caliber rifles having slower twist Berger only produces bullets that will fit those twist in those calibers which btw, are not competition calibers as 22,24,26,28,30, calibers.
But due to the fact that many hunters like Berger bullet performance in their hunting rifles Berger produces them.

Take a look at some real stats...

.264 130 Barnes TSX @ 3,300 FPS= 63.2" drift (30mph) at 500 yds.
.264 120 Barnes TSX @ 3,400 FPS=57.5" drift (30mph) at 500 yds.

.264 130 Berger VLD @ 2,900 FPS=46.4" drift (30mph) at 500 yds.

That is a lot of drift difference for the 6.5's.

Basically, I can take a 260 Rem 130 Berger at 2,900 mv and best a 264 Win mag shooting a 120 or 130 Barnes at its higher velocity.

Also you need to take into account impact velocities.

The Barnes will require higher speeds to open them up. Shooting a 264 win mag to 650 yds the Barnes 130 is (and to be generous here) is spent at 1,776 fps for a hardly ample impact speed

Shooting the Berger 130 out of a 260 Rem at 2,900 mv the bullet is spent at 750 yds with a minimum impact speed of 1,787 fps.

That's a full 100 yds difference.
I can take a cartridge that fills 45 grains of powder and best a cartridge that holds 70 grains of powder due to the superior BC's of Berger bullets.

And that ain't no bull.

I perfer not to shoot 500 yds in a 30mph wind myself...

AMEN!

I like what one person said about one marketing department criticizing another. Sounds like something from a Dilbert comic involving happy hour-like office environs.

I've killed a bunch of stuff with Interlocks & ballistic tips and plan to continue in spite of their ho-hum marketing. Never seen much need for premiums, although I am getting fantastic accuracy from TTSXs & ETips in my 257 Roy and plan to try 'em out this fall.

These threads are always rather amusing. Can't wait to see the fireworks over the holiday weekend!

Isn't HYPE a synonym for MARKETING?