Home Forums Reloading Big Game Rifles Barnes bullet marketing hype exposed

I'm waiting for the brown truck arrive. The box will contain:

200 .30 168 Hunting VLD
100 .30 180 Barnes TTSX
100 .30 180 Nosler BT
100 .243 80 TTSX


I don't discriminate.

Neither do I as I have all those bullets on my shelf. Particularly liking the 80 TTSX out of my 6x47.

The only "Bergers" that interest me have bacon and jalapenos on 'em , I'll continue to hunt with Swifts, Noslers, and Barnes bullets.

Gunner

The only 'Barnes' that interest me have my boat, quad, and shop in them. I'll continue to shoot whichever bullet ends up where it's supposed to most often.....

And I either.

I only used 30 mph as that is what the poster used for comparison.

I'll never spend a ton of money to hunt trophies at extreme ranges and I haven't been asked to produce any hunting shows portraying that. So I'll be one of the few it appears to stay grounded and shoot game at reasonably short ranges so I know for sure what I'm shooting and so I'll have almost a 100% chance at a quick ethical kill.

My wild-azz guess would be that 95% of all table meat is shot inside of 200 yards. At those ranges, I like speed..... And I prefer to shoot lighter bullets at those fast speeds that deliver energy like big bullets.

I also don't shoot a 6.5. Never warmed up to them. I shoot 25's and will not change that. Way too much invested.

Speed is good and a light Barnes TTSX will give you max speed and tough construction.
To me that's a primary benefit of Barnes bullets, lighter weight, higher speed, and tough+ construction.

I'm not going to go so far as the author to proclaim "BS" on everything, but I have had reamers made to profile the ogives on certain bullets, especially long secant ogives. Being benchrest bullet makers, Berger has made bullets and ogive R to allow better, consistent groups in certain types of throats and leades.

They just hyped (or did they "BS"?) a bullet called the Hybrid for just that purpose.

Like I said; they all like to pimp and call the other guy the hater.

No hollow point blow up bullets for me!
I shoot mostly Barnes bullets and haven't been let down yet. Even an 80 grain ttsx at 550 yards out of a Roberts.
An oryx is gonna catch a 140 ttsx out of my 280ai this year.
My back up rifle, IF needed, is a 338 rum and 250 grain swifts.

I also agree with you post regarding Barnes and the jump. My RUM has a lot of free bore and the 180 Barnes made finding the sweet spot easy. I loaded to magazine length and dropped in the usual max charge. Presto, four rounds into .637 bug hole.

Litz also goes on to describe the sometimes finicky nature of seating and alignment issues that can be encountered with VLD, secant ogive bullets.

I'm pretty confident Bryan Litz isn't running an oversize improved ball seat without the ability to kiss lands that are cut at an abrupt angle......but the guy from Berger can get more mileage by playing stupid.

Had my 300WM chamber cut for the 180 TTSX. I made the mistake of running the 168 VLD through her and never looked back.

Yesterday's 200 yard four round group is the norm. 10x10 steel plate at 600 is no longer a challenge

Impressive results on whitetails too.

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Not a bad mistake, since the leade angle will be pretty close, since they are both secant ogive profiles.

But according to the anti-hype piece, I'm just marketing and hyping, and now you are too!

I reckon Remington who owns Barnes will find a way to ruin it..

Remington doesnt own barnes any more than barnes owns remington. Remington was simply earlier on a takeover list of firearm related companies.

My bad under the impression Remmy bought them...

You may wish to recheck those numbers as I came up with something slightly different. That or I should recheck my numbers....grin

Dober

And Bryan Litz says neither B.C. is correct....

Liars, all of them! (grins)

Bryan Litz bases his BC off of a better and more accurate form factor.
Not a lot of bullet makers have the balls to start posting G7 BC numbers even if they're more accurate simply because the G7 number is nearly half what the G1 number is. They don't trust the buying public to make the distinction and I'd say their mistrust is well founded.

Litz also actually shoots the bullets.

His G1 figures don't jive with Barnes or Noslers, either.

Yet apparently Eric Stecker doesn't talk to Litz about throat geometry and VLD's, even though they work for the same company, and Barnes is just making stuff up.

I pimp batteries for a living, and people would rather believe BS and hype over reality and real use any day. Bullet companies are no different...