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Yep!

Yup. Google "law of biogenesis". Like begets like.

This will get you. What happens to a eighteen year old girl living on her own and working for a living if she is raped and becomes pregnant. In Oregon if she has no insurance, as in a young lady just a couple of months into a job, she cannot get help from the state unless she will give the name of the father. Never mind if she is about the fifth one raped by a man of the same description and the police are looking for him, no name, no help... unless she wants an abortion. The family all helped and we paid.

My last look at this pathetic thread.

Im not going to read thru all these posts but just want to share my own. I have a nephew that was born from a rape victim whom is my sister in-law. I thank GOD she didnt choose abortion.

Instead, you would execute the child for the crime of it's father. That's barbaric.

Aw c'mon guys, that's commonplace shorthand for when does a person with cognizable human rights, what rights, and to what extent, come into being. Not simply the biological event.

As soon at he or she is a distinct, living, human being, which occurs at conception.

Circular "reasoning" � "reasoning" using a prechosen conclusion as a "premise." Result � gibberish.

Hm? It has been debated for millenia as to when the soul enters the body. Not quite so long in jurisprudence as to when personal rights attach but at least back to the Roman empire. I would argue only that we should treat both instances as at conception because we don't know. We can only say with certainty that in either case the question doesn't arise before conception. Believing wrongly has difficult consequences. How specific cases should be addressed after that point is another matter.

I hope you never have to deal with the aftermath of rape.....and were anyone to tell my loved ones how they had to decide their lifes fate, god help them.

Wow is all I can say. It's barbaric to allow a woman to choose how her life will be after rape, but not to force her to live the memory for all time......yikes.

This is what makes America, America.

IOW, when Man, in all his self-assumed judgement and for whatever may be his own purposes, deigns to recognize the rights that God has already given that person.

Oh does that statement open fresh cans of worms! I was hoping to steer philosophical but in vain. Which is neither good nor bad, just the inevitable course of events it seems.

What's barbaric is you trying to force your will on the victim of a crime that you yourself will never be the victim of.


It's not your body and you weren't the victim so how can you have the audacity to make the victim suffer a 2nd injustice by forcing her to carry the byproduct of the crime committed against them to term? And lets be real clear here, the woman will be suffering another trauma if the very thought of what is inside her forces her to relive the original crime against her over and over again.



I'd love to hear some of you self righteous do-gooders if your daughter or loved one was pulled off a street by 5 blacks, beat to a pulp and violated in a most cruel manner. Tell them,...but, but,..it's an innocent child inside of you.

Imposed morality, of any flavor...on any platform, is wrong and should be put down...IMO

I know this thread is several pages long by now, but keep in mind that the original ad, at the top of the thread, came from Feminists for Life. Feminists. You know, females.

Whatever the merits of the viewpoint, it's evidently not one held only by men.

Jesus christ was a product of RAPE..

That's like saying that for a guy to flap his arms and fly to the moon is wrong and should be put down.

It's an academic point.

Morality cannot be imposed from outside. Someone acting in a particular way because he fears retribution if he acts otherwise is motivated by law, not morality.

A man who acts morally does so because he chooses voluntarily to choose his own behavior in such a way that it approaches a moral standard that he has willingly adopted for himself.

A rapist (in the classical sense, now, not one of the more modern watered-down versions) who impregnates his victim requires her, among other things, to make a decision between at least two unpleasant alternatives--making room in her life on very short notice to carry a pregnancy to term, or murdering her own child.

It's a heinous violation of her rights to force her into such a choice, which is one of the reasons that we think of it as such a terrible crime.

But looking for a cheap, quick way out of it--well, okay, it's murder, but in this case I guess we can give you a pass--isn't a solution to the problem at hand, and defrauding the victim into thinking it is one is a further violation of her rights.

Regardless of what the government says, if she has an abortion she will become a child-murderer, and years later when she's lying in bed staring at the ceiling wondering if it was a boy or a girl she killed and whether she would be a grandmother by now if she hadn't, the government will not be there with a solution.

It's one of those bad things that you can't make better. But you can definitely make it worse, that's for damn sure. You can make anything worse by denying reality.

Yah, because she was only a Jew, right, and not a real person, and therefore without moral agency and incapable of consenting?

I've heard it before. It doesn't impress me.

The group was founded to counter the Leftist/Democrat propaganda/narrative that put that idea in your head.

Great post, Ken.