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#7070767 - 11/13/12 300 AAC Blackout
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I've heard these are extremely quiet.

How good are they on Deer size animals?

What is the maximum effective range for deer?

Is factory ammo available?

Is it worth buying an upper?

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#7070932 - 11/13/12 Re: 300 AAC Blackout [Re: Dixie_Dude]
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they are only quiet if suppressed and the ammo is subsonic.

Other than that, IMHO its a 30-30 which means about a 200-250 yardish gun to me.

Ammo is out there

Check out the 300 AAC forum. I don't have it handy but I bet a google would get you there.

I"m still waiting for a reply from Rock barrels RE their barrel before I buy that part. Add a blemished upper and a few otehr parts and I"m good to go.
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#7070951 - 11/13/12 Re: 300 AAC Blackout [Re: rost495]
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Well, would it be better to order a 6.8 SPC or a 6.5 Grendel? They may have longer range and knock down power. Seems like the only reason to get one is for the subsonic suppressed reason.

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#7071021 - 11/13/12 Re: 300 AAC Blackout [Re: Dixie_Dude]
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Thats my take on it personally. Thats exactly why I"m putting one together.

some rounds are quieter than others and bore diameter vs pressure is an issue to my ears. But supersonic is just loud to me regardless mostly.

I'd go for what you need to use it for personally. I have a 50 beowulf upper that I use mostly in swamps as I want a big hole to start with and then expansion.... trailing blood in water sometimes kinda sucks...

If I wanted longer range, I've shot the Grendel type rounds out to 600 yards very easily before. Did some of the test firing for the Grendel when it was still 6.5 ppc.... I don't have one, but will at some point.

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#7071067 - 11/13/12 Re: 300 AAC Blackout [Re: rost495]
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rost495, did you look at the 458 Socom, or 450 Bushmaster when you bought the 50 Beowulf? I reload, and it seems like the 50 Beowulf would be hard and then there is the availability of bullets. The 458 Socom can take 45-70 bullets. There seems to be a lot of cartridges trying to fit the AR magazine well. I like the 6x45 which is a 223 necked up to 6mm which is 243. Doesn't have the power of a 243, but seems to have more umpth than the 223 and it uses the same bolt and magazine. Same with the 300 AAC. The 50 Beowulf, I think uses the same bolt for the 7.62x39 as well as the 6.5 Grendel.

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#7071099 - 11/13/12 Re: 300 AAC Blackout [Re: Dixie_Dude]
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6.8 SPC is an excellent round for deer...... .277 cal bullet
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#7071379 - 11/13/12 Re: 300 AAC Blackout [Re: Boococky]
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I'd say it's almost a .30-30 smile

Search here and you'll find some threads on the Blackout and folks' experience with them. I have one as the HD gun, loaded with 220 subsonic ammo. I also shot one deer with it, and watched the deer run off. Good blood trail, but never found it frown

I've started working with 110gr barnes Tac-tx, and supersonic loads. Debating on shooting a deer again with it, or with subsonic loads.
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#7071499 - 11/13/12 Re: 300 AAC Blackout [Re: Boococky]
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Originally Posted By: Boococky
6.8 SPC is an excellent round for deer...... .277 cal bullet


Being a .277 is enough reason not to use it. Grins... my 6.8 is necked down to 6mm..... its just me though, I can't stand .277 for some reason.
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#7071505 - 11/13/12 Re: 300 AAC Blackout [Re: Dixie_Dude]
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Originally Posted By: Dixie_Dude
rost495, did you look at the 458 Socom, or 450 Bushmaster when you bought the 50 Beowulf? I reload, and it seems like the 50 Beowulf would be hard and then there is the availability of bullets. The 458 Socom can take 45-70 bullets. There seems to be a lot of cartridges trying to fit the AR magazine well. I like the 6x45 which is a 223 necked up to 6mm which is 243. Doesn't have the power of a 243, but seems to have more umpth than the 223 and it uses the same bolt and magazine. Same with the 300 AAC. The 50 Beowulf, I think uses the same bolt for the 7.62x39 as well as the 6.5 Grendel.


I did look a bit. But had a line on a 50 for cheaper.... and plus I know Bill Alexander a bit, and personally shot competition with the guy that did the Grendel design.... so it was kinda a set deal...

the socom would be better, more choices of bullets, cheaper bullets, and the same suppressor could be used for a 45-70, 45acp and so on.....

All that means I'll have a socom at some point in my future... But the 50 with big Barnes or hard cast would not make me feel underpowered going after a wounded grizzly or such...
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#7072761 - 11/14/12 Re: 300 AAC Blackout [Re: Dixie_Dude]
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Originally Posted By: Dixie_Dude
I've heard these are extremely quiet.

How good are they on Deer size animals?

What is the maximum effective range for deer?

Is factory ammo available?

Is it worth buying an upper?


Have you considered a 7.62X39 upper? The Russian round is a "30-30 class" cartridge. Factory ammo is readily available and can be found in 123 JSP and 150 JSP, which should be good for deer out to over 200 yards.

Just a thought.

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#7072880 - 11/14/12 Re: 300 AAC Blackout [Re: Plinker]
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If your going to shoot deer with a subsonic 300 loads, invest in some good tracking dogs...
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#7073433 - 11/14/12 Re: 300 AAC Blackout [Re: jac3k]
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#7073485 - 11/14/12 Re: 300 AAC Blackout [Re: rsilvers]
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Just happened upon this very subject on another forum. Here's the link.

300 AAC Blackout, thought and feelings

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#7073875 - 11/14/12 Re: 300 AAC Blackout [Re: Plinker]
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From what I have read, some people have misconceptions. It isn't a long range caliber.

In subsonic loads with a silencer, I've been told by people who hunt hogs, that the hogs can't here the shot, and the herd just stands around, and you can pick them all off quietly. Under 100 yards, that it the reason for the 300 AAC.

In hot loads, it has 7.62x39 ballistics, and downrange at 150-200 yards actually more accurate.

You shoot heavy bullets to make it subsonic, and lighter bullets like 125 gr or 110 gr for supersonic loads.

Brass can be made from 223 brass, and 30 cal bullets are easy to find.

I wouldn't shoot a deer over 100 yards, but in a stand over a small greenfield or in the woods.

That being said, I like the 6.5 Grendel best, followed by the 458 Socom for actual big game hunting. There again, the 458 Socom is limited in kill range, more like the 45-70.

I also like the idea of the 6x45, not as powerful as a 243, but could hit fairly hard and legal for deer in most states and it too uses the 223 brass.

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#7074129 - 11/14/12 Re: 300 AAC Blackout [Re: jac3k]
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Originally Posted By: jac3k
If your going to shoot deer with a subsonic 300 loads, invest in some good tracking dogs...


Or better yet actually know WTF you are talking about and do it right, and don't require a dog. Using right bullet, right placement, subsonic is no different than supersonic. Period.

I often wonder how some folks don't find deer if they don't bang flop every time......FWIW everytime I've used my lab to help find a deer, its been by supersonic loads.... once a 223, once a 7 stw, and once an 06....
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#7074497 - 11/14/12 Re: 300 AAC Blackout [Re: rost495]
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Also, what about black power rifles, 45-70's etc. A lot a subsonic just bigger bullets. With the 300 AAC you won't take 200 yard shot. Short range quiet hunting. Cheap to make cartridges from 223. Same with 6x45.

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#7074538 - 11/14/12 Re: 300 AAC Blackout [Re: Dixie_Dude]
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Keep the 5.56 and load heavy bullets for deer. A 1-8 twisted barrel with a supersonic bullet "on average" has to be tougher to get to shoot. Bill Wilson and I agree on this I think. On the other hand if you have a can then why not.
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#7074806 - 11/14/12 Re: 300 AAC Blackout [Re: Dixie_Dude]
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Originally Posted By: Dixie_Dude
Also, what about black power rifles, 45-70's etc. A lot a subsonic just bigger bullets. With the 300 AAC you won't take 200 yard shot. Short range quiet hunting. Cheap to make cartridges from 223. Same with 6x45.


I'll take a 200 yard shot with an AAC in a heartbeat but I'm anal about things, making sure i have the right bullet, can place it correctly, know the range, know the cross wind if any etc... IE this past weekend with 30 mph cross winds, no way but given workable data, and if you are anal about testing as I am, I'd have no qualms.

I've taken deer over 300 yards out with a 45 cal muzzleloader and sabots that are not all that much supersonic IMHO, and does just fine.

Shot placement has a LOT to do with death, as does bullet performance.

That being noted I"m the one that watched a buck get shot in BOTH lungs at about 125 with an 06 and the buck lived to be shot 3 weeks later healed up.... you just never know, nothing is 1000%.

As to 223 and heavy bullets, yeah BTDT more than once, but there are really no flies on a lot of the rounds mentioned here. I have a coyote with the x39 at over 500 yards. Couple of pigs with the same at 300ish. 6mm WOA which is 6.8 necked down, more than a few deer approaching 300. Its all in how you approach things. Much more so in the end than what you actually choose to use, so long as you know and stay within its limitations.
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#7074822 - 11/14/12 Re: 300 AAC Blackout [Re: rost495]
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I struggle with the concept of a 1-8 twisted 30 cal.


Edited by jimmyp (11/14/12)
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#7074951 - 11/14/12 Re: 300 AAC Blackout [Re: jimmyp]
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What about a 6 or 6.5 twisted .224 barrel?
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#7075081 - 11/14/12 Re: 300 AAC Blackout [Re: jimmyp]
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Originally Posted By: jimmyp
I struggle with the concept of a 1-8 twisted 30 cal.


The Noveske barrel on my rig is actually 1:7"...

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#7075282 - 11/14/12 Re: 300 AAC Blackout [Re: clark98ut]
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There always can surface a bit of what is ignorance of what can and does work. Ignorance is not meant in a derogative term, simply the truth.

I"ve run 52 grain BTHP in 223 in a 6.5 twist with no issues around 3350 fps.... Most would think that would torch the bullet instantly... does just fine and plenty accurate thank you.
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#7075736 - 11/14/12 Re: 300 AAC Blackout [Re: rost495]
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how many benchrest guns are twisted that fast Jeff? I think Bill Wilson and Savage are right on this one.
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#7075791 - 11/14/12 Re: 300 AAC Blackout [Re: jimmyp]
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Who needs a bench gun when they can shoot a highpower rifle?

Point is, you don't know what you are talking about on this one. You don't twist for a caliber... you twist for the bullet and velocity you are chasing...


And I'm not flaming ya either, its pretty much exactly what the benchresters do. You match the bullet length mostly, to the MV, to get your twist. They don't over stabilize at all because they shoot very short range shots, others like us tend to overdo it a hair because where BR stops mostly is whwere we start mostly and head on towards 1000 yards there so stability is key.

Where an 8 twist 30 cal might be ignorant in a 300 wtby driving 150 grain bullets( some folks believe in light bullets for some reason) the same twist isn't with a slow 240 grain 30 cal. And vice versa the slow twist for trhe 300 wtby, would leave the 240 slow 30 cal almost tumbling as it left the barrel.
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