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#7072736 - 11/14/12 Building a speed goat gun?
MileHighShooter Offline
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Registered: 06/16/12
Posts: 322
Loc: Thornton, CO
So I finally ran across an action I've been looking for, for quite some time. A Win 70A (Ranger would have done as well). I know they're not exactly rare but they're creeping up to the 400-500$ mark before shipping and transfer online. Found a great deal at my LGS and its sitting in layaway for a few weeks.

I already have other projects in process for other game, like a dedicated dark timber elk rifle (375 Rug on a pre-64) a main elk rifle (M70 300 Wby I'm trying to get to 7.5lbs) and an ultralight elk/mule deer (M70 CRF I'm hoping to get around 6lbs in 30-06) So I have decided to use this as my dedicated goat gun.

It is currently a 30-06 pushfed action, so I am looking at something x57 or '06 based for the build. I want either a #4 or #5 barrel, possibly fluted for weight if going #5/Med Varmint. It will be going into a Boyd's JRS laminate stock that is already fairly hefty, so I have a good stable platform.

What I can't decide on, is what cartridge to go with! Obviously with the Ruger and Wby, I'm not one ot shy away from more expensive cartridges to play around with. But, I can also appreciate function at a cheaper price.

Stuff I'm thinking about so far -
6mm Rem *maybe AI*
240 Wby
25-06
280 Rem
257 Bob AI

Basically I'd like to be throwing a 100-110gr bullet in the 3100-3400fps ballpark.


Thoughts? Ideas? Suggestions? 270 is right out, I'm in the anti-270 crowd lol and yes I've owned a few already.

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#7072762 - 11/14/12 Re: Building a speed goat gun? [Re: MileHighShooter]
Coltdriver Offline
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Registered: 01/16/11
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I'd vote for a 243 or any 6mm with better ballistics.

Took my first speed goat with one. 85 grain partition running 3400+ out the muzzle. 225 yards. Ran 20 feet.

They are quite small making hitting the vitals harder so realistically you need a rifle with a decent maximum point blank range. I could get out to 265 yards mpbr with mine.

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#7072778 - 11/14/12 Re: Building a speed goat gun? [Re: MileHighShooter]
UtahLefty Offline
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Registered: 03/18/06
Posts: 22215
Loc: O town UT
wind is a big enough (and consistent enough) issue that I"m a fan of 140-170 gr bullets. personally, I use a 280AI w. 160gr TSX .... but unfortunately that's not on your list..... whistle

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#7072799 - 11/14/12 Re: Building a speed goat gun? [Re: UtahLefty]
MileHighShooter Offline
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Registered: 06/16/12
Posts: 322
Loc: Thornton, CO
if it was a short action rifle I'd be looking at the 243 or 260...but, its a bit longer wink

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#7072802 - 11/14/12 Re: Building a speed goat gun? [Re: UtahLefty]
Sask_Hunter Offline
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Registered: 01/10/03
Posts: 610
I'd sell you mine but your not in Kanada

257ai

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#7072803 - 11/14/12 Re: Building a speed goat gun? [Re: MileHighShooter]
MileHighShooter Offline
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Registered: 06/16/12
Posts: 322
Loc: Thornton, CO
Utah,

The places I have hunted, and will likely continue to hunts CAN be windy, here and there, but for the most part they weren't normally above 5-10mph. When I see weather reports of 20mph and up, I just don't go hunting lol.

The 280 AI should probably have been included on that list.

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#7072836 - 11/14/12 Re: Building a speed goat gun? [Re: MileHighShooter]
rosco1 Offline
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Registered: 03/03/08
Posts: 3422
Loc: utah
6/06

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#7072842 - 11/14/12 Re: Building a speed goat gun? [Re: MileHighShooter]
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Registered: 02/04/11
Posts: 4563
Loc: Carbon Co. Wyoming
Of those you mentioned, my pick would be a 25-06..It will easily kick a 100 grain bullet along at 3400+..Mine has a #5 barrel, and is I believe 27" long..Very accurate..It may have killed 15 head of deer and antelope..It is one super coyote rifle also.

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#7073018 - 11/14/12 Re: Building a speed goat gun? [Re: WyoCoyoteHunter]
Jordan Smith Offline
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Registered: 03/30/06
Posts: 7890
Loc: Calgary, AB, Canada
6.5x284 6.5-06AI, or 6-06 if going for economical shooting. A 105 or 140 A-Max or a 115gr or 140 Berger would be swell.

.280AI if going for the best ballistic bang for your buck from a .30-06 donor. Wind is the only reason for this one. The power certainly isn't needed for 'lopes.
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#7073019 - 11/14/12 Re: Building a speed goat gun? [Re: WyoCoyoteHunter]
MichiganScott Offline
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Registered: 03/17/06
Posts: 2486
Loc: God's Country
Although I've shot mine with 7m-08 and 7mm WSM, if I were building one from scratch using a .30-06 length action it would be in a 25-06. Alays seemed to me that the 25-06 is the classic speed goat caliber.
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#7073116 - 11/14/12 Re: Building a speed goat gun? [Re: MileHighShooter]
efw Online   content
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Registered: 12/01/07
Posts: 12645
Loc: Mi.
Doesn't do anything a 25-06 won't do, but I chose 257 AI and the goat didn't have much to say about it (100 gr Interlock @ 3250 fps, 200 yds):



If I had an 06-length action (and I do) I'd go 25-06 AI which is on the task list right now...
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#7073604 - 11/14/12 Re: Building a speed goat gun? [Re: rosco1]
eh76 Offline
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Registered: 12/17/06
Posts: 52674
Loc: North of Liberalism in Wyoming
Originally Posted By: rosco1
6/06
AI
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#7073620 - 11/14/12 Re: Building a speed goat gun? [Re: eh76]
kalbrecht Offline
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Registered: 08/19/02
Posts: 971
Loc: Wyoming
My goat gun is 25-06 shooting 100 grain interlocks.

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#7073971 - 11/14/12 Re: Building a speed goat gun? [Re: kalbrecht]
ShootDogs Offline
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Registered: 05/05/11
Posts: 1373
Loc: Colorado Springs, CO
Originally Posted By: kalbrecht
My goat gun is 25-06 shooting 100 grain interlocks.


Mine too. 26" #4 Lilja barrel, Acra-Bond laminated AAA Claro Walnut stock, MRC 1999 action, flat black Teflon coating on all metal, 2.5-16x50 Bushnell Elite 6500. Dang thing weighs about 12 lbs, but it ain't too bad carrying in antelope country.
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#7074260 - 11/14/12 Re: Building a speed goat gun? [Re: ShootDogs]
MileHighShooter Offline
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Registered: 06/16/12
Posts: 322
Loc: Thornton, CO
ShootDogs that sounds pretty darn similar to what I'm looking to build. I have thought about doing some mods to the stock to make it look like the Win 70 Outback Coyote...or just buying that stock, they're still around and fairly cheap. Between that and the flutes I'm hoping to get it closer to 9lbs vs 12 lol. But like you said, carrying a 12lbs rifle in goat country isn't exactly taxing, I'd take a 12lbs rifle on the plains any day over a 10lbs rifle @11k+

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#7074437 - 11/14/12 Re: Building a speed goat gun? [Re: MileHighShooter]
prairie dog shooter Offline
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Registered: 01/25/01
Posts: 8345
Loc: Texas
25-06.
Rem 700 action.
Pac-Nor super match barrel cro-moly, 24 inches, Rem sporter contour.
Take off Rem Classic stock.
100 grain Ballistic Tip, IMR 4831, CCI standard primer.
Leupold VXII 4 X 12.

IMO everything about it says "Pronghorn rifle"
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#7074657 - 11/14/12 Re: Building a speed goat gun? [Re: prairie dog shooter]
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Loc: Brookville IN
6.5x284.
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#7074881 - 11/14/12 Re: Building a speed goat gun? [Re: joelbiltz]
BCSteve Offline
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Registered: 07/14/04
Posts: 1431
Loc: BC, Canada
6.5-06 for better bullet choice with high BC.

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#7075237 - 11/14/12 Re: Building a speed goat gun? [Re: MileHighShooter]
ShootDogs Offline
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Registered: 05/05/11
Posts: 1373
Loc: Colorado Springs, CO
Originally Posted By: MileHighShooter
ShootDogs that sounds pretty darn similar to what I'm looking to build. I have thought about doing some mods to the stock to make it look like the Win 70 Outback Coyote...or just buying that stock, they're still around and fairly cheap. Between that and the flutes I'm hoping to get it closer to 9lbs vs 12 lol. But like you said, carrying a 12lbs rifle in goat country isn't exactly taxing, I'd take a 12lbs rifle on the plains any day over a 10lbs rifle @11k+


Here's a photo when I had the Kahles 3-9x on it.

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#7075259 - 11/14/12 Re: Building a speed goat gun? [Re: ShootDogs]
Bella1 Offline
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Registered: 09/14/11
Posts: 530
Loc: Alb. N.M.
I agree with BC STEVE. I've got them all .I like my 257AI but isn't any better than 25-06. The 6.5's with high BC makes the most since. I also love my 270's w/140 bergers. TO EACH HIS OWN!!! It keeps gun smiths going!
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#7075326 - 11/14/12 Re: Building a speed goat gun? [Re: Bella1]
Oakster Offline
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Registered: 12/24/06
Posts: 1888
Loc: Gillette, Wyoming
I have the standard version of all the cartridges on your list. I love the Weatherby's, but using a .30-06 bolt face for a build, I would go with the .280, or 280AI if you like. I would want the heavier bullets and high BC of the 7mm round. If you had a magnum action, I would lean towards the .257 Weatherby. That being said, my current coyote and pronghorn rifle is a .240 Weatherby.

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#7075379 - 11/14/12 Re: Building a speed goat gun? [Re: joelbiltz]
Dirtfarmer Online   content
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Registered: 11/28/10
Posts: 14126
Loc: Central Louisiana
Originally Posted By: joelbiltz
6.5x284.

That's my choice, 140 gr. Bergers at 3,000 fps. I have an H.S. Precision SPL .240 Wby, but feel the heavier 6.5mm bullet with greater B.C. is better than the 6mm in cross winds at ranges of 400 yds. or so.

Mine is a pre-64 with Borden's Bumps, blueprinted action, 26" 8.5 twist Kreiger, Jewell trigger, pillared and bedded in a Jon Sundra Boyd laminated stock. I have a Z5 3.5-18x44 BT, fitted with an Outdoorsmans turret, set up for this load out to 600 yds. It'll do 4 1/2" at 600 off a bench.

Three speed goats over the past three years, all under 400 yds.

DF

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#7080511 - 11/16/12 Re: Building a speed goat gun? [Re: Dirtfarmer]
MYore Offline
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Registered: 02/28/08
Posts: 618
Loc: Sawtooth Rifles, Idaho
I'm going to vote for .280 AI...

because I have that reamer, a #3 Lilja ready to go, and my shop is about 50 miles north of you. Hint hint. PM sent.

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#7080650 - 11/16/12 Re: Building a speed goat gun? [Re: MYore]
Kaleb Offline
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Registered: 01/22/08
Posts: 4689
Loc: TN
I shot my 280AI side by side with my similar built 6.5-284 Wednesday. Was shooting to double check drop, well playing I guess. Either way out to 700 it's same/same......after that I started playin at 1,000 real quick before we ha to go.

I really like the 6.5-284 but could be just as happy with a 6.5-06 or 6-06 for deer sized stuff. Really want to do a big 6 sometime.
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