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#7059180 - 11/09/12 Re: This is someone's Holy Grail Model 70 [Re: BobinNH]
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Well...what was it Bob?

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#7060144 - 11/10/12 Re: This is someone's Holy Grail Model 70 [Re: Horseman]
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Horsman it was a SG 264 Win Mag.The SG was dropped as a catalog item the year the 264 was introduced...Rule's book does not list a 264SG;and says the SG was made from 1937 to 1959...so,supposedly,the 264(introduced in 1960)was not made as a catalog item in SG.

The fellow I bought the rifle from and I,both "knew" this....I could not be assured the rifle was factory original but bought it anyway(it was mint),at no where near the price a SG would bring.

Figuring it was not original,I loaded for and shot it,brought it to Alberta to hunt,gouged the checkering in one spot eek

Later I sold the rifle,made a small profit....and forgot about it until I saw a picture of another 264 SG in Whitaker's book.(evidence that they did make some;possibly custom shop)...my heart sank and I knew right away I had screwed the pooch.

A year or so later,I saw the rifle on GunsAmerica or GunsInternational(I forget which) for about $7-8k.It was mine alright,as I recognized the wood,and the gouge in the checkering... I wish I had kept it,not for the value, but I liked the rifle and cartridge. It was very accurate and had lovely wood.



Edited by BobinNH (11/10/12)
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#7060157 - 11/10/12 Re: This is someone's Holy Grail Model 70 [Re: BobinNH]
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Originally Posted By: BobinNH
bsa looked it up so I won't dispute it....but I thought the lines got fuzzy moving from pre war to transition,and pre war receivers were used in some transition models.The safety is clearly transition.

Another thing is the rear receiver ring is tapped and drilled...many pre war's were not.

Edited to Add: It's a Type II,Transition receiver.Not pre war.Smooth rear bridge and drilled and tapped.


Bob, you talking about gunners 300 H&H or the op's rifle in question??? Thanks buddy..
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#7061166 - 11/10/12 Re: This is someone's Holy Grail Model 70 [Re: bsa1917hunter]
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bsa I was talking about the SG 220 Swift shown here.Were you on Gunners rifle?

Gets confusing sometimes... crazy smile
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#7064014 - 11/11/12 Re: This is someone's Holy Grail Model 70 [Re: BobinNH]
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Originally Posted By: BobinNH
bsa I was talking about the SG 220 Swift shown here.Were you on Gunners rifle?

Gets confusing sometimes... crazy smile


Yeah, Gunner asked me a question about his rifle and then you said something to the effect that it wasn't...... whistle
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#7072267 - 11/13/12 Re: This is someone's Holy Grail Model 70 [Re: bsa1917hunter]
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Hi fellows, I'm new to this forum. I have some interest in this rifle on Gunbroker. I was wondering what this rifle should sell for assuming it was original? Any help is appreciated.

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#7072352 - 11/13/12 Re: This is someone's Holy Grail Model 70 [Re: Quigley77]
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Bob there's an alleged Super Grade 264 on Gunbroker right now for starting bid $5700.

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#7076372 - 11/15/12 Re: This is someone's Holy Grail Model 70 [Re: Horseman]
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Horseman thanks I will take a look. smile
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#7081222 - 11/16/12 Re: This is someone's Holy Grail Model 70 [Re: bsa1917hunter]
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Originally Posted By: bsa1917hunter
Someone can keep it too...Just sayin.

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Have a question....why start at $0.01 and set the blind reserve at over $3,000 ? confused
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#7081663 - 11/16/12 Re: This is someone's Holy Grail Model 70 [Re: Hotload]
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I'd guess he's hoping for interest from folks who'd move along if they saw a $3000 reserve.

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#7083340 - 11/17/12 Re: This is someone's Holy Grail Model 70 [Re: Hotload]
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Originally Posted By: Hotload
Originally Posted By: bsa1917hunter
Someone can keep it too...Just sayin.

+1

Have a question....why start at $0.01 and set the blind reserve at over $3,000 ? confused


Because they are a phuckin idiot.....
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#7083667 - 11/17/12 Re: This is someone's Holy Grail Model 70 [Re: Bushmaster1313]
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#7083713 - 11/17/12 Re: This is someone's Holy Grail Model 70 [Re: Hotload]
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Originally Posted By: Hotload
Originally Posted By: bsa1917hunter
Someone can keep it too...Just sayin.

+1

Have a question....why start at $0.01 and set the blind reserve at over $3,000 ? confused


Lots of seller's run their auctions this way... and usually receive a poor result. The item goes unsold and lots of people who take a look move on and don't look back. People get real excited and real involved with the auctions that start at a penny and have no reserve. On a popular and desirable item (such as this rifle) this usually works very very well.
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#7090713 - 11/19/12 Re: This is someone's Holy Grail Model 70 [Re: boltman]
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Originally Posted By: boltman
Originally Posted By: Hotload
Originally Posted By: bsa1917hunter
Someone can keep it too...Just sayin.

+1

Have a question....why start at $0.01 and set the blind reserve at over $3,000 ? confused


Lots of seller's run their auctions this way... and usually receive a poor result. The item goes unsold and lots of people who take a look move on and don't look back. People get real excited and real involved with the auctions that start at a penny and have no reserve. On a popular and desirable item (such as this rifle) this usually works very very well.



This man's rifle did not sell.
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#7091132 - 11/19/12 Re: This is someone's Holy Grail Model 70 [Re: Hotload]
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I agree with above. Yeah it's a type II transition model- safety gives it away. FWIW many of the cloverleafs were used in magnum length actions even after the calender "transition" period.FWIW as far as Pre War safety conversions is concerned one can guestimate the date of converion by the lever used, eg I have a Pre War 375 H&H with a Tilden safety and my transitions IIRC I think with both the type I/II safeties.

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#7093935 - 11/20/12 Re: This is someone's Holy Grail Model 70 [Re: Tony_Soprano]
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I see the auction has been relisted and the bidding is about $400 more than the end of the previous auction. It's sort of like someone has a gun for sale, they show it to you and you ask, "what do you want for it?" And they don't answer you... frown
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#7094361 - 11/20/12 Re: This is someone's Holy Grail Model 70 [Re: boltman]
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i would not buy a model 70 without knowing it's provenance. nfw.
Gunbroker? nfw,

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#7096212 - 11/21/12 Re: This is someone's Holy Grail Model 70 [Re: boltman]
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Originally Posted By: boltman
I see the auction has been relisted and the bidding is about $400 more than the end of the previous auction. It's sort of like someone has a gun for sale, they show it to you and you ask, "what do you want for it?" And they don't answer you... frown


I think a lot of guys are hiding a super inflated reserve and listing a gun on auction to get an "appraisal" by the buying public. Auction ends, stick it back in the safe with a copy of the auction for the wife/widow to help with liquidation later. Lends a degree of credibility to a rifle's value for insurance purposes too, don't you think? I won't even waste my time on a hidden reserve auction for these reasons. I hesitated to expound on this in public, but I urge you tempted to use some scruples and resist this tactic.
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#7097269 - 11/21/12 Re: This is someone's Holy Grail Model 70 [Re: Fireball2]
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Originally Posted By: Fireball2
Originally Posted By: boltman
I see the auction has been relisted and the bidding is about $400 more than the end of the previous auction. It's sort of like someone has a gun for sale, they show it to you and you ask, "what do you want for it?" And they don't answer you... frown


I think a lot of guys are hiding a super inflated reserve and listing a gun on auction to get an "appraisal" by the buying public. Auction ends, stick it back in the safe with a copy of the auction for the wife/widow to help with liquidation later. Lends a degree of credibility to a rifle's value for insurance purposes too, don't you think? I won't even waste my time on a hidden reserve auction for these reasons. I hesitated to expound on this in public, but I urge you tempted to use some scruples and resist this tactic.


Interesting concept and there may be some truth to it. I've often wondered the same thing myself...
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#7097423 - 11/21/12 Re: This is someone's Holy Grail Model 70 [Re: bsa1917hunter]
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Another common technique, or tactic or ploy (take your pick) with reserve auctions is to have one or more shills bid it up to just short of the reserve. An intrepid bidder sees what looks like a lot of bidding activity and this helps him believe the gun is actually worth that much. He enters his bid and the reserve is tripped and surprise, surprise, no one bids after him. He becomes the, "winner" smile Many auctions have what looks like a lot of bids when in fact there is only one actual bid wink Caveat Emptor.
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#7107017 - 11/24/12 Re: This is someone's Holy Grail Model 70 [Re: boltman]
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Originally Posted By: boltman
I see the auction has been relisted and the bidding is about $400 more than the end of the previous auction. It's sort of like someone has a gun for sale, they show it to you and you ask, "what do you want for it?" And they don't answer you... frown



Seems like a big waste of time for everyone. crazy
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#7109327 - 11/25/12 Re: This is someone's Holy Grail Model 70 [Re: boltman]
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I had a guy tell me he uses the tactic above.

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#7122754 - 11/29/12 Re: This is someone's Holy Grail Model 70 [Re: TheOldTree]
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I see the seller shut the auction down early... someone here successful with making an offer?
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#7122996 - 11/29/12 Re: This is someone's Holy Grail Model 70 [Re: boltman]
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Yeah, I told him "GFY", he must have conceded.....
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I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style.


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