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#7233186 - 12/27/12 1.5f or 2f?
APDDSN0864 Offline
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I've been looking at powders for my future BPCR and see in the different forums where the majority of shooters are using either 1.5f or 2f in their .45-70's and .45-90's.

I've heard that some powders create a harder fouling than others.

For the folks here that compete (even if it's with yourselves grin ) what is your preferred powder size and manufacturer?

Thanks,

Ed
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#7233303 - 12/27/12 Re: 1.5f or 2f? [Re: APDDSN0864]
Paul39 Offline
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Swiss 1.5 in .40-82, .45-70, and .45-90. Keeps it simple.

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#7233518 - 12/27/12 Re: 1.5f or 2f? [Re: Paul39]
Kurt71 Offline
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I use 1.5 and 2FG KIK for everything.
Happy New Year Y'all here!

Kurt


Edited by Kurt71 (12/27/12)

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#7233626 - 12/27/12 Re: 1.5f or 2f? [Re: APDDSN0864]
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Right now, I'ld say if you're shooting a 45-90 then KIK 1.5 is a good route to take.
If the cartridge is 45-70 then KIK 2f is the way to go.
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#7233930 - 12/27/12 Re: 1.5f or 2f? [Re: Ranch13]
sharpsguy Offline
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2f KIK across the board.

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#7234550 - 12/28/12 Re: 1.5f or 2f? [Re: sharpsguy]
BrentD Offline
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If you want top accuracy, Swiss 1.5 fg is still getting it done and is the clear favorite.
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#7235026 - 12/28/12 Re: 1.5f or 2f? [Re: BrentD]
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I still have a fair amount of GOEX Express FFG. Per advice from an experienced fella wid a 44/90 I'll be gittin' a chitload of KIK 1.5 . My 45/110 likes the FFG.
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#7236128 - 12/28/12 Re: 1.5f or 2f? [Re: EvilTwin]
elkchsr Offline
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I've had good luck with Swiss 1.5 in my 40-65.

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#7237251 - 12/28/12 Re: 1.5f or 2f? [Re: elkchsr]
APDDSN0864 Offline
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Thank you, Gentlemen (yes, even you, Jim! grin ).

I see that Graf & Sons carries Goex & Swiss (Swiss is SPENDY!!! eek ) but I don't know of a source for KIK. Any suggestions?

Ed
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#7237262 - 12/28/12 Re: 1.5f or 2f? [Re: APDDSN0864]
BrentD Offline
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Originally Posted By: APDDSN0864
(Swiss is SPENDY!!! eek )


You get what you pay for. Don't run second rate powder in a high dollar rifle just to save a few bucks. It is not worth your time and effort.
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#7237281 - 12/28/12 Re: 1.5f or 2f? [Re: BrentD]
Ranch13 Offline
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Powder Inc carries KIK along with Goex,Schuetzen, Swiss and Diamondback.
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#7237314 - 12/28/12 Re: 1.5f or 2f? [Re: Ranch13]
APDDSN0864 Offline
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Thank you, sir!

Ed
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#7237319 - 12/28/12 Re: 1.5f or 2f? [Re: APDDSN0864]
FlyboyFlem Offline
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Ed for my 2 cents gonna order #25 lbs of KIK 2F for my 110.
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#7237326 - 12/28/12 Re: 1.5f or 2f? [Re: APDDSN0864]
Ranch13 Offline
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Ubecha. Those prices are delivered to your door. You can mix brands in a single order (except diamondback and for what ever reason it can only be shipped in full case lots, which is ok as most folks that tried it usually consider it pretty lousy stuff).
That way you can order a variety of powder and see just what you and your gun think works the best.
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#7237445 - 12/28/12 Re: 1.5f or 2f? [Re: Ranch13]
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I see that Powder, Inc is in Clarksvile, AR. I have to be in Ft. Smith next month on bidness and Clarksville is just down the road.

Anyone know if you can pick the stuff up in person versus having it shipped?

Ed
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#7237571 - 12/28/12 Re: 1.5f or 2f? [Re: APDDSN0864]
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Yes you can..
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#7237849 - 12/29/12 Re: 1.5f or 2f? [Re: FlyboyFlem]
Ranch13 Offline
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You do have to pay sales tax instead of the shipping , so the prices are a bit different over the counter.
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#7238769 - 12/29/12 Re: 1.5f or 2f? [Re: EvilTwin]
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The more I read, the more I see 1.5 being the powder of choice. Figures since I picked up 25 lbs of 2F Goex Express about a year ago. Still trying to burn up some other brands though before I torch any of that off.


Edited by 1minute (12/29/12)
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#7239263 - 12/29/12 Re: 1.5f or 2f? [Re: 1minute]
BrentD Offline
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Originally Posted By: 1minute
The more I read, the more I see 1.5 being the powder of choice. Figures since I picked up 25 lbs of 2F Goex Express about a year ago. Still trying to burn up some other brands though before I torch any of that off.


smile I went down that road once too. frown
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#7239869 - 12/29/12 Re: 1.5f or 2f? [Re: APDDSN0864]
gunner500 Offline
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Ed, my 45-120 shot well with Swiss 2F but the fouling was hard, KIK 2F gives equal or slightly better accuracy and much softer fouling.

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#7240879 - 12/29/12 Re: 1.5f or 2f? [Re: gunner500]
Kurt71 Offline
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I think a discussion what powder is better will go on for ever.
The choice of powder I think is a personal choice. Use what ever powder you have confidence in. I myself think all powder has the potential to shoot accurately, it just takes a little load development.
Last night I loaded four different powders using the same volume and not by weight just to see just what the results would be for my own curiosity.
The conditions where not the best for this this morning with a 22 degree 15 MPH wind blowing in my face bringing out the tears and cold fingers I could not feel the trigger.
I shot a few rounds to foul the barrel and shot 5 rounds of 2F swiss, 5 of 2F KIK and 6 Schuetzen with the German label the rounds of 1.5 KIK I did not shoot because I didn't dress warm enough and my fingers were hurting.
Between the three different powders I shot this morning I just cant say which was more accurate. They all shot good in the .44 Rem St..
The only difference I found is that the same volume of the three powders was the Swiss and Schuetzen weight 3 grains more then the KIK smile KIK 92 gr Swiss and Schuetzen 95 gr. with the same volume in the case.
I used the Heavy barreled Shiloh with a 35" 1.3" round straight barrel in the .44-2.6" Rem St. (44-100) with a 28" MVA Scope.






Edited by Kurt71 (12/29/12)

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#7240939 - 12/29/12 Re: 1.5f or 2f? [Re: Kurt71]
Kurt71 Offline
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By the way.
The bullet was a Brent Danielson design 475 gr prolate cast at 1/18 T/L patched to .001 over bore diameter.


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#7241329 - 12/29/12 Re: 1.5f or 2f? [Re: Kurt71]
Ranch13 Offline
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Nice shooting Kurt!
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#7241369 - 12/29/12 Re: 1.5f or 2f? [Re: Kurt71]
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Originally Posted By: Kurt71
By the way.
The bullet was a Brent Danielson design 475 gr prolate cast at 1/18 T/L patched to .001 over bore diameter.



Perfect, good looking cartridge, Thanks Kurt.

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