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#7217200 - 12/22/12 06:29 PM Re: thoughts/ opinion on the 450 marlin [Re: Mr_Saw]
DeerSkinner Offline
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Registered: 01/07/11
Posts: 237
Loc: South CA.
I just purchased a BLR in 450. I know I can load it hotter than any Marlin, so I get performance beyond what is possible with an old 45-70. A BLR can handle 300 and 338 win mags, so this is doable and safe.
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#7228085 - 12/25/12 11:31 PM Re: thoughts/ opinion on the 450 marlin [Re: Mr_Saw]
kingstrider Offline
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Registered: 11/30/10
Posts: 273
Loc: Dentist for the United States ...
At one point I had a 450MXLR in addition to a 1895GS and 1895SDT. The 450 was nice but superfluous to the two 45-70s so I sold it. Probably the biggest thing going for the 45-70 is components are more readily available.

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#7231045 - 12/26/12 06:56 PM Re: thoughts/ opinion on the 450 marlin [Re: kingstrider]
colodog Offline
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Registered: 09/20/08
Posts: 2150
Loc: North of Denver
I doubt Bambi would be able to tell which headstamp was on the brass that was fired the bullet, 450M or 45-70, although the 45-70 has slightly larger case capacity.
450M brass is still only made by Hornady...
If I wanted the mostest from either cartridge I'd get a Ruger #1, not made in 450M so it would be 45-70...
Which will be here in 20-50 years, 45-70!
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#7236444 - 12/28/12 09:35 AM Re: thoughts/ opinion on the 450 marlin [Re: colodog]
340mag Offline
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Registered: 11/12/03
Posts: 2195
Ive found my 450 marlin caliber BLR absolutely loves 50 grains of IMR3031 under a 405 remington bullet with a 215 fed primer, Im not 100% sure of velocity but its a hard hitting load thats producing 1" hundred yard groups off the bench consistently
http://www.chuckhawks.com/450Marlin.htm
450 marlin handloads.

Wt. Bullet Powder Manufacturer Powder Charge Velocity (FPS) 250 Barnes XFN Hodgdon H-4198 57.0 2,288
Remarks: 2.10 group
300 Nosler Partition Accurate XMR-2015 60.0 1,970
Remarks: 1.95 group
300 Nosler Partition Accurate XMR-2015 62.0 2,091
Remarks: 1.80 group
300 Sierra JHP Vihtavuori VV-N130 51.5 1,751
Remarks: 2.25 group
300 Sierra JHP Vihtavuori VV-N130 53.0 1,869
Remarks: 2.10 group
300 Sierra JHP Vihtavuori VV-N130 54.0 1,990
Remarks: 1.90 group
300 Barnes XFN Hodgdon H-4198 50.0 1,982
Remarks: 1.65 group
350 Hornady FP Hodgdon H-4198 48.5 1,842
Remarks: 1.60 group
350 Hornady FP Hodgdon Varget 59.0 1,770
Remarks: 1.65 group
350 Hornady FP Hodgdon Varget 61.0 1,821
Remarks: 1.70 group
350 Kodiak FP IMR IMR-3031 56.0 1,827
Remarks: 1.55 group
350 Kodiak FP Hodgdon H-335 60.0 1,872
Remarks: 1.20 group
400 Speer FN Hodgdon H-4895 56.0 1,773
Remarks: 1.75 group
405 Kodiak FP Hodgdon H-322 52.5 1,842
Remarks: 1.50 group
405 Magma cast IMR IMR-4198 32.0 1,332
Remarks: 2.00 group
415 RCBS cast GC Alliant RL-7 48.0 1,875
Remarks: 1.80 group
415 RCBS cast GC Alliant RL-7 50.0 1,960
Remarks: 1.45 group

300 Lead Flat Nose Accurate AAC-5744 38.7 1,928
Remarks: start chg
300 Lead Flat Nose Accurate AAC-5744 43.0 2,096
Remarks: max chg
405 Lead Flat Nose Accurate AAC-5744 36.0 1,716
Remarks: start chg
405 Lead Flat Nose Accurate AAC-5744 40.0 1,865
Remarks: max chg
300 Sierra FNHP Accurate AAC-5744 43.2 2,034
Remarks: start chg
300 Sierra FNHP Accurate AAC-5744 48.0 2,211
Remarks: max chg
300 Sierra FNHP Accurate AAC-1680 52.2 2,198
Remarks: start chg
300 Sierra FNHP Accurate AAC-1680 58.0 2,389
Remarks: max chg
300 Sierra FNHP Accurate AAC-2015 54.9 2,217
Remarks: start chg
300 Sierra FNHP Accurate AAC-2015 61.0 2,410
Remarks: max chg; compressed load
300 Sierra FNHP Accurate AAC-2230 58.1 2,226
Remarks: start chg
300 Sierra FNHP Accurate AAC-2230 64.5 2,420
Remarks: max chg
300 Sierra FNHP Accurate AAC-2460 60.3 2,214
Remarks: start chg
300 Sierra FNHP Accurate AAC-2460 67.0 2,407
Remarks: max chg; compressed load
300 Sierra FNHP Accurate AAC-2495 59.4 2,001
Remarks: start chg
300 Sierra FNHP Accurate AAC-2495 66.0 2,175
Remarks: max chg; compressed load
300 Sierra FNHP Accurate AAC-2520 56.7 2,034
Remarks: start chg
300 Sierra FNHP Accurate AAC-2520 63.0 2,211
Remarks: max chg; compressed load
350 Speer FNHP Accurate AAC-5744 39.4 1,813
Remarks: start chg
350 Speer FNHP Accurate AAC-5744 43.8 1,971
Remarks: max chg
350 Speer FNHP Accurate AAC-1680 46.1 1,919
Remarks: start chg
350 Speer FNHP Accurate AAC-1680 51.2 2,086
Remarks: max chg
350 Speer FNHP Accurate AAC-2015 50.0 2,030
Remarks: start chg
350 Speer FNHP Accurate AAC-2015 55.5 2,207
Remarks: max chg; compressed load
350 Speer FNHP Accurate AAC-2230 55.8 2,067
Remarks: start chg
350 Speer FNHP Accurate AAC-2230 62.0 2,247
Remarks: max chg; compressed load
350 Speer FNHP Accurate AAC-2460 55.8 2,010
Remarks: start chg
350 Speer FNHP Accurate AAC-2460 62.0 2,185
Remarks: max chg; compressed load
350 Speer FNHP Accurate AAC-2495 54.9 1,892
Remarks: start chg
350 Speer FNHP Accurate AAC-2495 61.0 2,057
Remarks: max chg; compressed load
350 Speer FNHP Accurate AAC-2520 55.8 1,982
Remarks: start chg
350 Speer FNHP Accurate AAC-2520 62.0 2,154
Remarks: max chg; compressed load
350 Speer FNHP Accurate AAC-2700 55.8 1,719
Remarks: start chg
350 Speer FNHP Accurate AAC-2700 62.0 1,869
Remarks: max chg; compressed load
400 Speer Flat Nose Accurate AAC-5744 36.9 1,688
Remarks: start chg
400 Speer Flat Nose Accurate AAC-5744 41.0 1,835
Remarks: max chg
400 Speer Flat Nose Accurate AAC-1680 41.4 1,732
Remarks: start chg
400 Speer Flat Nose Accurate AAC-1680 46.0 1,883
Remarks: max chg
400 Speer Flat Nose Accurate AAC-2015 47.3 1,883
Remarks: start chg
400 Speer Flat Nose Accurate AAC-2015 52.5 2,047
Remarks: max chg
400 Speer Flat Nose Accurate AAC-2230 49.9 1,877
Remarks: start chg
400 Speer Flat Nose Accurate AAC-2230 55.4 2,040
Remarks: max chg; compressed load
400 Speer Flat Nose Accurate AAC-2460 54.0 1,909
Remarks: start chg
400 Speer Flat Nose Accurate AAC-2460 60.0 2,075
Remarks: max chg; compressed load
400 Speer Flat Nose Accurate AAC-2495 49.5 1,689
Remarks: start chg
400 Speer Flat Nose Accurate AAC-2495 55.0 1,836
Remarks: max chg; compressed load
400 Speer Flat Nose Accurate AAC-2520 53.1 1,875
Remarks: start chg
400 Speer Flat Nose Accurate AAC-2520 59.0 2,038
Remarks: max chg; compressed load
400 Speer Flat Nose Accurate AAC-2700 53.1 1,620
Remarks: start chg
400 Speer Flat Nose Accurate AAC-2700 59.0 1,761
Remarks: max chg; compressed load


300 Barnes XFN IMR IMR-3031 52.5 1,870
Remarks: 35,000 psi; compressed powder charge
300 Barnes XFN IMR IMR-4198 44.2 2,000
Remarks: 39,000 psi
300 Nosler Partition IMR IMR-3031 57.0 2,100
Remarks: 35,000 psi; compressed powder charge
350 Hornady IMR IMR-3031 56.0 2,030
Remarks: 38,000 psi; compressed powder charge
350 Hornady IMR IMR-4198 45.0 2,050
Remarks: 40,000 psi
400 Barnes Flat Nose IMR IMR-3031 50.8 1,860
Remarks: 40,000 psi; compressed powder charge
400 Barnes Flat Nose IMR IMR-4198 40.0 1,820
Remarks: 40,000 psi


Edited by 340mag (12/28/12 09:36 AM)

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#7252358 - 01/01/13 06:31 AM Re: thoughts/ opinion on the 450 marlin [Re: 340mag]
yar Offline
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Registered: 08/18/10
Posts: 2381
Loc: Southeastern Pa
Modernized 45/70, just a little harder to find than 45/70 of the shelf.

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#7258498 - 01/02/13 01:33 PM Re: thoughts/ opinion on the 450 marlin [Re: Mr_Saw]
temmi Online   content
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Registered: 06/09/06
Posts: 9865
Loc: Texas
I have a 450M and I would buy it again

It is everything I hoped for

On the downside you should handload or your ammo options are limited.

I would and did get a 450M

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#7274074 - 01/05/13 08:54 PM Re: thoughts/ opinion on the 450 marlin [Re: temmi]
GuideGun Offline
Member

Registered: 01/02/13
Posts: 149
Loc: Maine
What is wrong with the .45-70? It will kill animals just as dead as the .450 marlin will, and probably a little cheaper at that. The brass and reloading supplies for the .45-70 are readily available and can be found almost anywhere, that is a plus for sure. Are the gains from the .450 over the .45-70 really worth the extra hassle and price? A hot loaded .45-70 will come close, if not match .450 performance....To me it doesn't make any sense to get a .450 over the .45-70. The gains are minimal. Brass availability might be an issue with the .450 down the road.


Edited by GuideGun (01/05/13 08:55 PM)
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#7275026 - 01/06/13 07:20 AM Re: thoughts/ opinion on the 450 marlin [Re: GuideGun]
Vic_in_Va Online   content
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Registered: 05/30/02
Posts: 4883
Actually, the .45-70 can match the .450 performance levels, it has slightly more case capacity.

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#7276889 - 01/06/13 02:35 PM Re: thoughts/ opinion on the 450 marlin [Re: Vic_in_Va]
Twinkletoes Offline
Member

Registered: 10/04/12
Posts: 182
Loc: Prince of Wales Is., Ak
Before I ordered my XLR, I did give the .450 considerable thot.
I ended up with the same thots that GG stated, will I be able to buy brass 10 years from now? I did buy the XLR in .45-70.
Love the gun, and I probably woulda loved it just as well if it had been a .450, but I honestly feel that the .45-70 will be around for nother 125 years, and I don't believe that we can say the same for the .450.
Marlin has always made a fine firearm, however, thier specific designed cartridges have not had good record to success.

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#7373515 - 01/28/13 10:51 AM Re: thoughts/ opinion on the 450 marlin [Re: GuideGun]
The_Troll Offline
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Registered: 01/28/13
Posts: 75
Loc: Fairbanks, Alaska
I have both, a BLR .450 and a few .45-70's. I handload and shoot 400 grn cast paper patched bullets. Moose and little bears do not stand a chance. I keep the range to 200 yds and under. If there is a difference between the two cartridges i cannot tell.

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