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#7279755 - 01/07/13 07:42 AM Re: Assault weapons for Canadians? [Re: pricedo]
n007 Offline
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Harper says he won't relax prohibited weapons, rejects advice of advisory group

By Bruce Cheadle, The Canadian Press December 6, 2012

Prime Minister Stephen Harper welcomes new MP Eve Adams at the start of caucus meetings in Ottawa on June 1, 2011. Conservative MP Eve Adams says there's no connection between violence against women and more changes to Canada's gun-control laws being considered by the Harper government.

THE CANADIAN PRESS/Adrian WyldOTTAWA - Prime Minister Stephen Harper has issued an unexpected rebuke to his government's own firearms advisory committee, rejecting its recommendations and suggesting the group's membership may need revisiting.

Documents obtained by the Coalition for Gun Control reveal the committee advising Public Safety Minister Vic Toews wants some prohibited weapons, including hand guns and assault rifles, reclassified to make them more easily available.

The 14-member group is also pushing to make firearm licences good for at least 10 years, rather than the current five a measure opposed by police who say the five-year renewals are a chance to weed out unstable gun owners.

Coming on the anniversary of Montreal's Ecole Polytechnique massacre in which 14 young women died at the hands of a deranged gunman the documents provided opposition MPs with new ammunition to fire at a government that earlier this year repealed and destroyed the federal long-gun registry.

But even as gun enthusiasts cheered the proposed reforms Thursday on online message boards, Harper was pouring cold water on the committee in the House of Commons.

"Let me be as clear as I can be," the prime minister said in response to a question from NDP Leader Tom Mulcair.

"Prohibited weapons exist as a category under the law for essential reasons of public security. The government has absolutely no intention of weakening that category of protections."

Harper stressed repeatedly that the recommendations contained in a March 2012 "memorandum for the minister" are not government policy.

And when interim Liberal Leader Bob Rae suggested the government's advisory committee which is dominated by sport shooting enthusiasts and those opposed to gun control needed wider representation, including from police chiefs, those fighting domestic violence and groups dealing with suicide prevention, Harper all but agreed.

"I will take the advice of the leader of the Liberal party under consideration," Harper responded.

"I'm obviously very concerned with some of the recommendations made in that report, and I think the committee does need some re-examination in that light."

The prime minister's comments will certainly be a come-down for gun enthusiasts who were cheering a Toronto Star report of the committee recommendations earlier Thursday.

"A shocking outbreak of common sense? What are they drinking in Ottawa these days?" said one poster on Outdoorsmenforum.ca.

"This is great!! I am so glad we have a government that has some common sense ... at least for now," wrote another.

Conservatives used the Liberal long-gun registry as a prime fundraising tool and rural electoral wedge issue for more than a decade. But now that the registry is gone, the government appears to be playing down further changes at least for broad public consumption.

Two important developments this fall, the final destruction of all gun registry data outside Quebec and the further postponement of gun-marking regulations, were proactively announced by the government to the gun lobby but not to a national audience via the news media.

Toews' firearms advisory committee is co-chaired by Steve Torino, the president of the Canadian Shooting Sports Association.

It includes prominent anti-registry advocates including Tony Bernardo, a self-described gun-rights champion with Torino's CSSA; Greg Farrant of the Ontario Federation of Anglers and Hunters; Linda Thom, an Olympic gold medallist in pistol shooting; and Niagara police constable John Gayder, an advocate who has written pieces such as "Is Modern Gun Control Hazardous to Police?" which posits that gun control "will prove to be as disastrously misguided as leech therapy, shock treatment and Thalidomide were to the field of medicine."

The Canadian Association of Chiefs of Police has actively lobbied to be represented on the committee, without success.

"The CACP is very interested in being represented on this committee, as this would provide you with timely and balanced advice on firearms issues from the leading law enforcement organization in Canada," the association's president, Toronto Police Chief Bill Blair, wrote to Toews two weeks after the May 2011 election.

Rae emerged from the Commons to suggest the prime minister "has learned something from this experience."

"This is an area where frankly the public does not share the ideological enthusiasm of the Conservative back bench," Rae said.

"People are just not interested in increasing access to weapons. They're interested very much in reducing access to dangerous firearms."

Both Harper and Toews stressed the Conservative government's firearm focus is now on tougher sentences for gun-related convictions.

"We've made it very clear that we see no benefit to the long-gun registry," Toews told the Commons.

"However, what we have indicated is that we must continue to implement measures that in fact target the criminal use of firearms."

The Public Safety minister also noted that firearms crime rates are at their lowest in 50 years.

The homicide rate from guns is down 30 per cent since 2008, Toews added, "because of the very strong measures that this government has taken against the criminal use of firearms," drawing a huge round of applause and desk thumping from the Conservative benches.

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#7279853 - 01/07/13 08:05 AM Re: Assault weapons for Canadians? [Re: n007]
kutenay Offline
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Registered: 03/15/04
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Bob, "Babyface" Cohen, his REAL name, is among the most odious and disgusting politicians I can recall in Canada, during my lifetime. He, typifies the university "trained" '60s leftist-liberals, who are convinced that THEY are ENTITLED to RULE OVER we mere "serfs"in their glorious "Just Society", which WE pay excessive taxes to support.

When, "Babyface" was the Premier of Ontario, a disastrous era in Canada's past, he made L.E.O.s write a freakin' report EVERY TIME they unholstered their sidearms. This totalitarian policy was eagerly administered by "Zanana Akande", a token Negress, who was his cabinet minister concerned....she, had as much real qualification for this post as "Boy George" has and all this did was to WASTE time and taxes.....hey, what else have Lieberals and "Dippers" ever accomplished?

Harper, is a cheap opportunist, but, the alternative??????? God forbid!!!!!

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#7290510 - 01/09/13 02:03 PM Re: Assault weapons for Canadians? [Re: CanuckShooter]
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Can't blame Harper for being political........that's what politicians do too survive.
I sure wish Harper was managing the US economy rather than "buy votes with free stuff" Obama who'll rack up enough debt in the next 4 years to bankrupt the next 10 generations of Americans.
Mitt Romney found out the hard way that a prudent business plan for getting the economy back on track can't compete with "free stuff" to get votes.
At the end of his 2 terms Obama will have spent the country into financial slavery to hold on to power.
I don't think the next 4 years is going to be real good for American gun owners.
Canadians got it good with Stephen Harper........in a real world he's as good as it gets.
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#7290598 - 01/09/13 02:24 PM Re: Assault weapons for Canadians? [Re: CanuckShooter]
grouseman Offline
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Stop calling them ASSAULT WEAPONS!!!!!!! They are either military surplus rifles, or semi-auto rifles which LOOK like military rifles, but aren't.
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#7291450 - 01/09/13 05:32 PM Re: Assault weapons for Canadians? [Re: grouseman]
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Registered: 05/21/03
Posts: 18786
Loc: NW Ontario, Canada
Hear hear!
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#7299107 - 01/11/13 12:45 PM Re: Assault weapons for Canadians? [Re: grouseman]
pricedo Offline
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Registered: 05/24/09
Posts: 81
Originally Posted By: grouseman
Stop calling them ASSAULT WEAPONS!!!!!!! They are either military surplus rifles, or semi-auto rifles which LOOK like military rifles, but aren't.


The functional difference between a military assault weapon and the civilian knock-offs is that most assault weapons like the M16 & Kalashnikov have a select fire switch that allows the soldier to switch from semi-auto (1 shot per trigger pull), 3-shot burst (1 trigger pull generates 3 shots at the firearms design cyclic rate) and full auto (will fire as long as trigger is depressed).
The civilian models are capable of semi-auto fire mode only.
Some Americans mistakenly feel that you can appease or placate the gun grabbers by giving up 1 kind of "bad" gun and then they will go away.
The antis will transfer the "bad gun" donkeys tail to every type of gun until there is not a single firearm left in civilian possession.
YOU CANNOT APPEASE THE GUN GRABBERS - THEY WILL EVENTUALLY TAKE AWAY ALL CIVILIAN FIREARMS IF WE LET THEM !!
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#7299748 - 01/11/13 03:06 PM Re: Assault weapons for Canadians? [Re: pricedo]
CanuckShooter Offline
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Registered: 02/22/07
Posts: 1166
Loc: British Columbia Canada
Originally Posted By: pricedo
Originally Posted By: grouseman
Stop calling them ASSAULT WEAPONS!!!!!!! They are either military surplus rifles, or semi-auto rifles which LOOK like military rifles, but aren't.


The functional difference between a military assault weapon and the civilian knock-offs is that most assault weapons like the M16 & Kalashnikov have a select fire switch that allows the soldier to switch from semi-auto (1 shot per trigger pull), 3-shot burst (1 trigger pull generates 3 shots at the firearms design cyclic rate) and full auto (will fire as long as trigger is depressed).
The civilian models are capable of semi-auto fire mode only.
Some Americans mistakenly feel that you can appease or placate the gun grabbers by giving up 1 kind of "bad" gun and then they will go away.
The antis will transfer the "bad gun" donkeys tail to every type of gun until there is not a single firearm left in civilian possession.
YOU CANNOT APPEASE THE GUN GRABBERS - THEY WILL EVENTUALLY TAKE AWAY ALL CIVILIAN FIREARMS IF WE LET THEM !!


I agree, just like the smoking nazis...first no smoking in planes, then restaurants, then bars....and now they are trying to enforce anti smoking in public parks and on beaches for Chrys sake!! If it starts with the anti gun nazis...it will be the same thing.

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