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#7278706 - 01/06/13 08:25 PM Re: Hi, need advice ,micrometer or caliper? [Re: butchlambert1]
Mule Deer Offline
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And you still need both.

If you're serious about handloading, you need a GOOD micrometer and caliper. And contrary to what some people suggest, yes, you can wear out a cheap caliper.
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#7279443 - 01/07/13 06:23 AM Re: Hi, need advice ,micrometer or caliper? [Re: Mule Deer]
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Loc: Annapolis, Md.
Unless of course it is a cheaply priced vernier caliper. (Cheap because few want them anymore.) Potentially more accurate than a dial caliper: no moving parts to wear out (unless the little lines get worn away from looking at them too hard), and will remain calibrated unless the jaws are damaged or otherwise messed with. Downside: who above the age of 19 can read the scale without benefit of a magnifying lens?

I learned with them, so reading the scale is second nature (with a jeweler's loupe screwed into my eye), and are still my go-to calipers. Certainly not for everybody though.


Edited by gnoahhh (01/07/13 06:26 AM)
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#7280351 - 01/07/13 10:10 AM Re: Hi, need advice ,micrometer or caliper? [Re: gnoahhh]
bcraig Offline
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Loc: eastern arkansas
Thanks for the info guys.
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#7280598 - 01/07/13 11:26 AM Re: Hi, need advice ,micrometer or caliper? [Re: bcraig]
saddlesore Offline
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Registered: 06/22/01
Posts: 10995
Loc: Colorado Springs, CO, USA
I usually drop my calipers and screw them up way before I wear them out. I have one 4 place Brown andS harpe Micrometer, a whole set of up to 4" of Starrets and a General caliper.

Mt father was a machinist and I have all his tools.
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#7316061 - 01/15/13 10:25 AM Re: Hi, need advice ,micrometer or caliper? [Re: saddlesore]
HiredGun Offline
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Registered: 06/03/04
Posts: 639
Loc: North Bend OR
Calipers are better at measuring tapered objects like cartridges due to the smaller contact points. Measuring Cerrosafe is not usually done to the .0001". Read the instructions on the stuff and you will find a decent caliper will tell you all you are going to learn from Cerrosafe anyway. It changes size as it cools and then grows as it ages.

Contraction - expansion factor versus time, measured in inches per square inch:
2 minutes -.0004"
6 minutes -.0007"
30 minutes -.0009"
1 hour +-.0000"
2 hours +.0016"
5 hours +.0018"
7 hours +.0019"
10 hours +.0019"
24 hours +.0022"
96 hours +.0025"
200 hours +.0025"
500 hours +.0025"

Saami specs give a pretty wide range of chamber tolerances too. A caliper is all you need to identify a cartridge from a casting.
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#7318822 - 01/15/13 07:30 PM Re: Hi, need advice ,micrometer or caliper? [Re: butchlambert1]
KLStottlemyer Offline
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Registered: 11/08/12
Posts: 109
Get both as you will need both.
I have two set of brown and sharp 0-6" calipers. A set of Starrett 0-3" mics in .0001" a brown and sharp mic set 0-6" in .001" and a Mitutoyo mic set 0-2" set .00005" Plus a set of thread mics

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#7319593 - 01/16/13 03:22 AM Re: Hi, need advice ,micrometer or caliper? [Re: KLStottlemyer]
hawkins Offline
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Registered: 01/22/05
Posts: 1068
Loc: Hawkins, a large metropolitan...
Get both Chinese ones work fine. As long as they are zeroed
they can't change calibration. If you are not familiar with a
vernier micrometer (0.0001) you will have to practice with it.

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#7323917 - 01/16/13 09:04 PM Re: Hi, need advice ,micrometer or caliper? [Re: hawkins]
KLStottlemyer Offline
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Registered: 11/08/12
Posts: 109
Can't change calibration??? Umm by how much are you referring to?

Calibration can change on a mic or a caliper by nothing more then feel.

To heavy handed of a grip will change the reading substantially.

Wear and tear will cause a zero shift. How clean the tool is kept will also cause a failure to zero. Temperature swings will cause mics to read of scale.

Your tool's zero is not fixed and can change. Cleaning the anvils before each use and checking zero is a good practice. But how many of you check through out the scale. Say check it at zero then .250" .5" .750" and even going so far as to check the vernier scale by stacking up enough Joe blocks to get a .0001" shift.
Like .7501" and seeing if the mic with proper feel will hit it. This will show signs of backlash in the screw that can be adjusted out.

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#7324321 - 01/17/13 03:29 AM Re: Hi, need advice ,micrometer or caliper? [Re: KLStottlemyer]
hawkins Offline
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Registered: 01/22/05
Posts: 1068
Loc: Hawkins, a large metropolitan...
The zero's on both my calipers and my michrometer are adjustable. The scale factors are set by the mechanics
of the beasts and arenot adjustable. I have a Fowler
caliper and a Chinese somthing or other. In use they
work and read identically. I don't think a reloader
needs a set of gauge blocks.

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#7324793 - 01/17/13 06:26 AM Re: Hi, need advice ,micrometer or caliper? [Re: hawkins]
KLStottlemyer Offline
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Registered: 11/08/12
Posts: 109
I'm specifically referring to a Micrometer. Where the screw can develop wear and begin to develop back lash so they are not fixed and will shift.

Every precision measuring tool made should be shipped with a standard.

So you just trust that what the caliper or micrometer says is true with no means to verify it to a known standard?

Ebay has[u][certified/u] gage blocks 36 or 81 piece sets for around $50 and $75 give or take respectively. Being so inexpensive I see no reason not to have a set.

I understand the level of accuracy needed in reloading that's not the issue. Assuming your measuring tool is fixed and rigid and never needs calibration is a huge mistake. And zeroing is not calibration. two very different parts of a verification.

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