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#7278950 - 01/07/13 Re: Interesting Range Experience [Re: rcamuglia]
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If you don't believe me I can email you a picture of the group, had a couple <1 MOA groups but I kept the best one. Although that was a pretty hilarious post if I do say so.

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#7279431 - 01/07/13 Re: Interesting Range Experience [Re: rcamuglia]
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Originally Posted By: rcamuglia
I can tell by the way he wears his hat that he seats bullets the way I recommend.


I look at the cut of his jib, it's much more telling.
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#7279478 - 01/07/13 Re: Interesting Range Experience [Re: smokepole]
rcamuglia Offline
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Originally Posted By: smokepole
Originally Posted By: rcamuglia
I can tell by the way he wears his hat that he seats bullets the way I recommend.


I look at the cut of his jib, it's much more telling.


Yep

Shoots in his bath robe. Comfortable enough to simply dip the 7892sdsc
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#7279497 - 01/07/13 Re: Interesting Range Experience [Re: rcamuglia]
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He throws his charges of 7892sdsc (wayyy slower burning than Retumbo, and super duper short cut) I believe. Says his ES stays well below 3.

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#7280056 - 01/07/13 Re: Interesting Range Experience [Re: Tanner]
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Well, that explains it. Those new IMR powders sure are versatile.

He likes to cant the rifle, huh? Must have something to do with the hat or maybe the ugly angle of the targets on that slope.
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#7280426 - 01/07/13 Re: Interesting Range Experience [Re: rcamuglia]
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Ask Kawi, he'll know.
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#7281119 - 01/07/13 Re: Interesting Range Experience [Re: BagABuck]
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How many shots in your best group and how many groups did you fire? Apart from setting some sort of record, what's important is the size of group you can reliably fire. Without getting too deep into statistics, if you fired 5 groups and averaged their size what would it be? If it's under 1 MOA you have a fine shooting gun. Apart from getting a better scope and playing with the loads I would leave it alone as you might free float the barrel and find you get worse accuracy.

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#7282447 - 01/08/13 Re: Interesting Range Experience [Re: MacLorry]
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On average I would say that 1 inch groups are average. I'm not the greatest shot, but i'm confident I can outshoot that rifle. My question is, do i need to bother upgrading anything considering it's already shooting better than what it's supposed to? I honestly don't know if I were to throw a Nightforce on it it would help anything.

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#7282632 - 01/08/13 Re: Interesting Range Experience [Re: BagABuck]
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I would stick a Hensoldt up top and watch it shine.

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#7283024 - 01/08/13 Re: Interesting Range Experience [Re: BagABuck]
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Originally Posted By: BagABuck
i'm confident I can outshoot that rifle.


That's no big deal, I'm always outshooting my rifles. They're only MOA rifles, but I can shoot 'em at a half inch.
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#7283733 - 01/08/13 Re: Interesting Range Experience [Re: smokepole]
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Originally Posted By: smokepole
Originally Posted By: BagABuck
i'm confident I can outshoot that rifle.


That's no big deal, I'm always outshooting my rifles. They're only MOA rifles, but I can shoot 'em at a half inch.

LOL!!! You ain't right...... grin


Edited by snuzem (01/08/13)

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#7284196 - 01/08/13 Re: Interesting Range Experience [Re: BagABuck]
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Originally Posted By: BagABuck
On average I would say that 1 inch groups are average. I'm not the greatest shot, but i'm confident I can outshoot that rifle. My question is, do i need to bother upgrading anything considering it's already shooting better than what it's supposed to? I honestly don't know if I were to throw a Nightforce on it it would help anything.


You can always experiment with loads just for the fun of it, but when it comes to spending money on a gun that already shoots better than expected it comes down to what you want to use that gun for, how much money you have, and what you're getting for your money. If it's a rifle you intend to use a lot then a better scope might be worthwhile, particularly given how you described the current scope.

I see ads where manufacturers brag about 3 shot MOA groups such as on page 71 of the February issue of Guns & Ammo. People on this forum would consider that a starting point rather than something to be proud of. What it tells me, however, is that it's not easy to manufacture hunting rifles with sub-MOA accuracy. You could spend good money on your old rifle and find that it's no more accurate than it is now and maybe a lot worse.

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#7284337 - 01/08/13 Re: Interesting Range Experience [Re: smokepole]
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Originally Posted By: smokepole
Originally Posted By: BagABuck
i'm confident I can outshoot that rifle.


That's no big deal, I'm always outshooting my rifles. They're only MOA rifles, but I can shoot 'em at a half inch.



The very mark of a man who is at the top of his game judging those by the cut of their jib.

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#7285152 - 01/08/13 Re: Interesting Range Experience [Re: rcamuglia]
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No big deal, I stuck a Hensoldt on it like Tanner said. NEF single shot.
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#7292062 - 01/10/13 Re: Interesting Range Experience [Re: smokepole]
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The Hensoldt was designed for the NEF single shot. whistle
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#7298409 - 01/11/13 Re: Interesting Range Experience [Re: doubletap]
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I know, I was on the design team.
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