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#7299744 - 01/11/13 Re: Is a dead deer worth .45 cents??? [Re: saddlesore]
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Originally Posted By: saddlesore

AS I have said many times.Using the so called premium bullets when not required is like paying a $500 hooker for a $5 oral sex job. You feel the same when done.




Damn! NOW ya tell me! laugh
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#7299783 - 01/11/13 Re: Is a dead deer worth .45 cents??? [Re: Ringman]
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Originally Posted By: Ringman
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I don't like tracking deer in the pucker brush.


There is a philosophical difference here. Your answer is not addressing the original question.


I wasn't answering the original question. I was answering yours regarding a quick clean kill.
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#7299936 - 01/11/13 Re: Is a dead deer worth .45 cents??? [Re: Otter6]
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This is what I know from experience, the less an animal suffers or runs, the better the meat, meat being the main reason I hunt, therefore I will use whatever kills the animal the fastest. I guess it's not as important when I need a doe, 'cuz I'm gonna brain'em anyway, but of great importance when I'm shooting at a buck. Besides, I'm not into torturing animals.

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#7300820 - 01/12/13 Re: Is a dead deer worth .45 cents??? [Re: Otter6]
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Originally Posted By: Ringman
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How about a quick,humane kill?


Still I ask, upon what do you base the idea we should try for a quick, humane kill?


I don't like tracking deer in the pucker brush.


Quote:
I wasn't answering the original question. I was answering yours regarding a quick clean kill.


I should have posted, you didn't answer MY original question.
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#7302991 - 01/12/13 Re: Is a dead deer worth .45 cents??? [Re: Buzzsaw]
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Originally Posted By: Buzzsaw
Well here I go. I get really worn out when someone post on here they don't want to buy "premium" bullets (whatever that means) because they are too expensive YET they come on here wanting to know what the best bullet is to kill a deer. I MIGHT understand if you were someone who had to shoot a 100 deer a day but give me a break, how many shots are you shooting, if you are shooting 100's of rounds, then buy the cheap blems and blaze away.

During hunting season I would bet most of us might go through 100 rounds, testing loads, practicing, etc. but when hunting how many shots do you take? Enough to matter money wise? Don't we owe it to the animal to kill it with the best there is?

OR you can look at it, the blems killem as dead as the North Forks or even a Ballistice Tip. Then why even ask which bullet to use.

I think most here are like me...I'm an All Day Sucker for the latest greatest stuff there is, hell I almost spent $65 on 50 North Fork bullets at the Safari Club Show but they didn't have my size.

So my point is, if you are worried anout the cost of your bullets, buy the cheapest bullet there is and shoot it... don't ask whaich one to buy.....Rant over, ya'll can pile on now...


You proved your point about being an "all day sucker", or just a sucker with no comprehension as to what works...Like mentioned, hornady interlocks, sierra gamekings, winchester powerpoints and remington corelokts kill deer just as dead as the premiums do...By the way, if you can kill a deer with just .45 cents worth of bullet, you are doing good: Obviously you didn't take into consideration the load work-up, practice with that particular bullet and fine tuning, but hey if you can do all that with one shot my hat goes off to you... whistle
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#7303012 - 01/12/13 Re: Is a dead deer worth .45 cents??? [Re: SAUMHUNTER79]
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Originally Posted By: SAUMHUNTER79
Up by me, Barnes bullets in 7mm and .30 Cal are about .80 cents a piece. Hornady GMXs are .68 cents a piece. A dead buck is worth $24.00 and a dead doe or fawn is worth $12.00, good meat on the table is priceless. I can afford to hunt with whatever bullet I chose, I still use .34 cent a piece Hornady Interlocks because they work well and put deer down fast, if I needed more I'd use it. If I were hunting elk or moose, I'd probably use Partitions or monos, I just don't need them for the deer by me, maybe whitetail are tougher in other parts of the USA, I know Wyoming whitetail and mule deer aren't, because I've taken a few out there with the same schitty Hornadys I've been using for 18 yrs now, and they all died fast with very little suffering.


Same here brother...Why try to fix something that isn't broken???
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#7303035 - 01/12/13 Re: Is a dead deer worth .45 cents??? [Re: Buzzsaw]
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I don't worry about the cost of hunting bullets. Then again, I'm not going to waste 100's of Partitions on paper and rocks...

Partitions print very close if not right on top of some Hornadys and Sierras. Easy to practice with "cheap" bullets and fine tune the "premium" one's quickly before season starts.

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#7303685 - 01/12/13 Re: Is a dead deer worth .45 cents??? [Re: rcamuglia]
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So am I supposed to be upset because I can afford $500 an hour hookers, I mean bullets?

I'm confused.


LOL

Saddlesore is right more than he knows - premium bullets like Barnes give you a tad bit more flexibility with a high vel. So you can shoot stuff very close without causing too much damage and still pull off the long shots. Does a 500 dollar hooker give you more flexibility, I'll leave that up to the reader.

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#7304286 - 01/13/13 Re: Is a dead deer worth .45 cents??? [Re: Spotshooter]
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Originally Posted By: Spotshooter
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The RIGHT question is - how many bullets do you fire setting up a load, and sighting in each year vs. killing the game with.
More me that's about 30:1

So multiply the 45 cents a couple more times...


That's $13.50. I spent more than that for the toilet paper, potato chips, and cookies I took to my deer camp last week.

The cost of premium bullets are miniscule compared to what I spend on deer hunting every year, so to me it's a no brainer to use the premiums. I just don't shoot my big game rifles enough for an extra $50 a year to matter. If I had 4 boys hunting and was on a very limited income then I might feel differently. For me I've got a limited amount of time to hunt and want to make the most of it. I have had some not so desirable results out of standard factory bullets. Years ago I bought a new 7mm rem mag and wasn't set up to handload it, so I bought a couple of boxes of winchester 150 gr. power points, sighted it in and went hunting. The first three deer I shot with it all ran into the most ungodly thick cutovers you could imagine. I specifically remember being on my hands and knees in the rain and mud, pulling briars off of me, with a flashlight in my mouth blood trailing a deer through this cutover. That was not pleasant. Those 150 gr. power points were way too tough for out little southern whitetails and wouldn't expand, winchester must have figured that they were going to be shot at elk and built them pretty stout. After the first three ran several hundred yards each I threw the remaining factory ammo in the cupboard and bought some reloading dies. My trailing adventures ceased when I started shooting some decent bullets at them.

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#7304535 - 01/13/13 Re: Is a dead deer worth .45 cents??? [Re: Crow hunter]
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Almost forty years ago I used some Hordnady 175 spitzers. I hit a deer in the shoulder about ten yards away fired from my 7mm-.300 Weatherby. None of the bullet entered the chest cavity. It turned so I shot it at the base of the tail dropping it. I then put one in the back of the neck.

From then on I used Nosler 175 and 160 Partitions until the Barnes X came out. I used them up to last year. Next season I will be using G.S.Customs for everything. Specifically I will use 85 grainers in my .257SLR. I am hopping for 3,800 feet per second. My most accurate groups and lowest SD's in my .375 and 7STW came while using them.
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#7306432 - 01/13/13 Re: Is a dead deer worth .45 cents??? [Re: Ringman]
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Originally Posted By: Ringman
Almost forty years ago I used some Hordnady 175 spitzers. I hit a deer in the shoulder about ten yards away fired from my 7mm-.300 Weatherby. None of the bullet entered the chest cavity. It turned so I shot it at the base of the tail dropping it. I then put one in the back of the neck.




TFF. The muzzle blast alone at that distance should have killed him. Musta been an armor plated Ninja deer.
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#7306566 - 01/13/13 Re: Is a dead deer worth .45 cents??? [Re: Swifty52]
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Originally Posted By: Swifty52
Originally Posted By: Ringman
Almost forty years ago I used some Hordnady 175 spitzers. I hit a deer in the shoulder about ten yards away fired from my 7mm-.300 Weatherby. None of the bullet entered the chest cavity. It turned so I shot it at the base of the tail dropping it. I then put one in the back of the neck.




TFF. The muzzle blast alone at that distance should have killed him. Musta been an armor plated Ninja deer.


No, it was a cheap bullet, at high velocity, at very close range.

This is a great recipe for what he described.
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#7306683 - 01/13/13 Re: Is a dead deer worth .45 cents??? [Re: antelope_sniper]
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If you've been shooting a load with a Sierra of the same weight(even a BT or something similar),practicing to distance with that,and know the rifle,you should be done with load development with a Partition in about 10 shots(if that).

That leaves 40 bullets to load for your hunt.

If it takes more than that to get a Partition load,there's something wromg with your rifle. Get it fixed or trip it.
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#7306875 - 01/13/13 Re: Is a dead deer worth .45 cents??? [Re: antelope_sniper]
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Originally Posted By: antelope_sniper
Originally Posted By: Swifty52
Originally Posted By: Ringman
Almost forty years ago I used some Hordnady 175 spitzers. I hit a deer in the shoulder about ten yards away fired from my 7mm-.300 Weatherby. None of the bullet entered the chest cavity. It turned so I shot it at the base of the tail dropping it. I then put one in the back of the neck.




TFF. The muzzle blast alone at that distance should have killed him. Musta been an armor plated Ninja deer.


No, it was a cheap bullet, at high velocity, at very close range.

This is a great recipe for what he described.



No, what I am saying is you dont need a 7 or 300 super whizzum shooting an 80 cent bullet to do a 20 cent job. In fact I have never taken a deer with a rifle closer than 125 yrds, and when I did it wasnt shooting a 80 cent bullet.

Buck taken at 65 yrds 3 years ago. Thought he was a 140, but busted tine.



Look at the size of his neck, and the busted tine. Dressed out at 175 lbs.



Shot him once with this, 41 mag 210 XTP going 1500 fps, which is fast. Purchased in 73



Total cost of the Round 22 cents. Bullet cost me 17 cents. I practice with a hard cast at the same speed that costs me 6 cents. Been doing this for 30 years, but I guess I need to buy a super whizzum rifle and premium bullets so I can come on here and complain about cheap bullet performance.
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#7306929 - 01/13/13 Re: Is a dead deer worth .45 cents??? [Re: wyohunter99]
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Originally Posted By: wyohunter99
Is all about shot placement. Practice, practice, practice!


there ya go again...

there is always some guy who comes in and talks common sense, based on experience....

and messes up the discussion on what recently introduced spendy trendy bullet is 'best' for this season, and will be old news come next season...

myself, I follow the wisdom and experiences of Wyohunter99 here...

of course guys like me spend my time, instead of arguing the merits of which trendy bullet is best, complaining about manufacturers ending production on all of those Round Nose and SMP bullets I have loved all of these past years...

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#7307145 - 01/13/13 Re: Is a dead deer worth .45 cents??? [Re: Seafire]
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Quote" No, what I am saying is you don't need a 7 or 300 super whizzum shooting an 80 cent bullet to do a 20 cent job."

Said nicer than what I did, but all these guys touting that you just have to use premium bullets reminds me of the guys who drive a new $50K diesel pickup, w/brush guard, winch, headache bar, Goodyear Duratrack tires,fancy chrome rims, light bars across the top. and and topper on it without so much as a trailer hitch and the pickup never goes off the pavement. However,they just have to have it or they can't get to work.

I was talking to a neighbor the other day about the complex, expensive software being used in the acconting of our treasury.She changed it all over to a simple Excel spread sheet.Her final comment hit the nail on the head.We were using a 10 passenger,super charge van to get up the hill when all we needed was a tricycle. Same goes for the pick of what bullet we need to use.

If I used a rifle with magnum type velocities or required deep penetration,I'd use the bullet that did thejob for that task. However,I have yet to run into a deer that required the magnum chamberins.For that matter,I'd say the same about elk.Use what you want though,but don't be skeptical of all the hunters out there who use what they have found to work.
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#7307147 - 01/13/13 Re: Is a dead deer worth .45 cents??? [Re: Swifty52]
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Originally Posted By: Swifty52
Originally Posted By: antelope_sniper
Originally Posted By: Swifty52
Originally Posted By: Ringman
Almost forty years ago I used some Hordnady 175 spitzers. I hit a deer in the shoulder about ten yards away fired from my 7mm-.300 Weatherby. None of the bullet entered the chest cavity. It turned so I shot it at the base of the tail dropping it. I then put one in the back of the neck.




TFF. The muzzle blast alone at that distance should have killed him. Musta been an armor plated Ninja deer.


No, it was a cheap bullet, at high velocity, at very close range.

This is a great recipe for what he described.



No, what I am saying is you dont need a 7 or 300 super whizzum shooting an 80 cent bullet to do a 20 cent job. In fact I have never taken a deer with a rifle closer than 125 yrds, and when I did it wasnt shooting a 80 cent bullet.

Buck taken at 65 yrds 3 years ago. Thought he was a 140, but busted tine.



Look at the size of his neck, and the busted tine. Dressed out at 175 lbs.



Shot him once with this, 41 mag 210 XTP going 1500 fps, which is fast. Purchased in 73



Total cost of the Round 22 cents. Bullet cost me 17 cents. I practice with a hard cast at the same speed that costs me 6 cents. Been doing this for 30 years, but I guess I need to buy a super whizzum rifle and premium bullets so I can come on here and complain about cheap bullet performance.



Swifty, it looks like you have a nice, private hunting preserve.

Please understand, that some of us have to hunt on public land. We can't just walk outback the chickencoop with a pistol and shoot such a dandy deer.
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#7307912 - 01/13/13 Re: Is a dead deer worth .45 cents??? [Re: Seafire]
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I definately agree with you Seafire.

We can't just walk outback the chickencoop with a pistol and shoot such a dandy deer.

I didnt. This is TFF. Dont own the ground, and it sure as hell wasnt private.
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#7308099 - 01/13/13 Re: Is a dead deer worth .45 cents??? [Re: Swifty52]
bsa1917hunter Offline
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Originally Posted By: Swifty52
I definately agree with you Seafire.

We can't just walk outback the chickencoop with a pistol and shoot such a dandy deer.

I didnt. This is TFF. Dont own the ground, and it sure as hell wasnt private.



You might want to think about selling a few rifles and putting that car out of its misery too.... grin
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#7308121 - 01/13/13 Re: Is a dead deer worth .45 cents??? [Re: bsa1917hunter]
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My best bullet.
cost 5 cents

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#7310394 - 01/14/13 Re: Is a dead deer worth .45 cents??? [Re: blammer]
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On the more serious side, almost ever " cup and core" bullet failed me situation, you will find bad shot placement.

Of course, that isn't what the guy meant to do, but if had been a Barnes x or other high dollar bullet the same result would very likely have occurred.
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#7312272 - 01/14/13 Re: Is a dead deer worth .45 cents??? [Re: bsa1917hunter]
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Originally Posted By: bsa1917hunter
Originally Posted By: Swifty52
I definately agree with you Seafire.

We can't just walk outback the chickencoop with a pistol and shoot such a dandy deer.

I didnt. This is TFF. Dont own the ground, and it sure as hell wasnt private.



You might want to think about selling a few rifles and putting that car out of its misery too.... grin


Yep that old car belonged to the guy who lived there. Right after I got the critter skinned, we pulled the motor and tranny that were sold to another farmer down there. It then got loaded on my car trailer and off to the auto graveyard it went.
As far as the rifles, I had thought about that, but I just couldnt bring myself to sell a half inch hunting rifle on the cheap side. That Blackhawk goes with me on every hunt, and gets shot about 500 rounds a year. Used to shoot IHMSA with it. Knocks down the 300 yard steel real well, but my eyes aint that good anymore.
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#7313266 - 01/15/13 Re: Is a dead deer worth .45 cents??? [Re: Swifty52]
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I stepped up with more expensive bullets this year. For a bear hunt with my 15 yr old son I decided to step up and not worry about the cost. In 1985?? I bought 1000 Rem. 130 gr core-locs for 7.3 cents each. Worked for everything I shot at. But 130 might be kinda light for a big "ol" bear so I went to Cabelas and splurged on Hornandy 150 gr interlcock at 23 cents each. Now, that extra 15.7 cents may or may not have mattered but I am sure the 7.3 cent bullet would have worked on a 206 lb blackie. I'm still not sure I made the right financial decision but what the heck I still have 99 left for a life time of bear hunting. Now for deer, I'll just stick to the 7 cent bullets till they're gone. I have about 500 left.


Edited by ihookem (01/15/13)
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#7313428 - 01/15/13 Re: Is a dead deer worth .45 cents??? [Re: ihookem]
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Standard c-c bullets work fine if I place them well.
If I drive them fast it can be hard on the meat so I back them down a bit and shoot ribs or shoot premiums and shoot bambi in the front half.
Deer usually don't require premiums though.
If it's a deer/elk combo hunt, sure a better bullet is loaded unless I'm out with a frontloader.
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