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It's interesting to me that of the two British gun terms, Magnum and Express, only magnum was successful over here True. I suppose originally both may have stood for something that offered prestige, like a Magnum bottle and an Express train ... perhaps Express is the new name wildcatters should adopt just to bring it back??  Cheers... Con We can only hope...
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It's interesting to me that of the two British gun terms, Magnum and Express, only magnum was successful over here True. I suppose originally both may have stood for something that offered prestige, like a Magnum bottle and an Express train ... perhaps Express is the new name wildcatters should adopt just to bring it back?? Cheers... Con We can only hope... Maybe we could break with the tradition of placing the word at the end, place it in the front, and used "Big-Assed", as in "Big-Assed 7MM". This would probably hold a certain appeal to many.
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It's interesting to me that of the two British gun terms, Magnum and Express, only magnum was successful over here True. I suppose originally both may have stood for something that offered prestige, like a Magnum bottle and an Express train ... perhaps Express is the new name wildcatters should adopt just to bring it back?? Cheers... Con We can only hope... Maybe we could break with the tradition of placing the word at the end, place it in the front, and used "Big-Assed", as in "Big-Assed 7MM". This would probably hold a certain appeal to many. That name would appeal to a niche market of men
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Has it been pointed out that Ken Waters liked to use "Express" for his wildcats?
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Excellent observation!
I tend to prefer a B-prefix for my wildcats, whether real or imaginary.
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Excellent observation!
I tend to prefer a B-prefix for my wildcats, whether real or imaginary. Well I couldn't help wonderIF .... the B S had dual application?? 
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Magnum starts on and in conjunction with the curve of diminished return.
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Magnum starts on and in conjunction with the curve of diminished return. Just a little DIFFERENT take on that. I agree that with 'some' you don't get much more. However, IMO, I feel there are some mags that give an appreciable INCREASE for a reasonable amount of 'more' powder. IMO - IMO - IMO - IMO. The 7 Rm gives an appreciable increase 'over' the 280 R - both using handloads NOT factory ammo. Only 1 ex. - 66-68 grs (depending on gun) in 7 M - 139 HBTSP = 3300 fps @. That from a 'bunch' of 7 Mags. COMPARE - 62-64 grs in 270/280 - 130/139 = 3100 fps. ******That is @ 4 grs FOR 200 fps increase***** 24" mag--22" std. I have DONE THAT on many occasions. _________________________________________________________________ Also the 300 WM give a very noticeable increase over the 06 with the ***180 OR 200 grainers**** In several 300 WMs I have/had --73 grs w/180 = 3100fps OR MORE. ***All this info uses OLD reliable powders NOT some of the newer ones. I do NOT comment on powders/bullets I have NOT used.*** IMO, it just depends on WHAT anyone feels is a justified gain -- for whatever 'more' powder is used.
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Maybe it's a whole lot simpler than all this. Seems to me that when you shoot them side by side a standard cartridge goes CRACK!!!! and a magnum is more of a BOOM!!! Of course I could be wrong...
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Magnum starts on and in conjunction with the curve of diminished return. Just a little DIFFERENT take on that. I agree that with 'some' you don't get much more. However, IMO, I feel there are some mags that give an appreciable INCREASE for a reasonable amount of 'more' powder. IMO - IMO - IMO - IMO. The 7 Rm gives an appreciable increase 'over' the 280 R - both using handloads NOT factory ammo. Only 1 ex. - 66-68 grs (depending on gun) in 7 M - 139 HBTSP = 3300 fps @. That from a 'bunch' of 7 Mags. COMPARE - 62-64 grs in 270/280 - 130/139 = 3100 fps. ******That is @ 4 grs FOR 200 fps increase***** 24" mag--22" std. I have DONE THAT on many occasions. _________________________________________________________________ Also the 300 WM give a very noticeable increase over the 06 with the ***180 OR 200 grainers**** In several 300 WMs I have/had --73 grs w/180 = 3100fps OR MORE. ***All this info uses OLD reliable powders NOT some of the newer ones. I do NOT comment on powders/bullets I have NOT used.*** IMO, it just depends on WHAT anyone feels is a justified gain -- for whatever 'more' powder is used. jwall, How much flatter does a 7mm 139gr BTSP fly at 3300 fps over 3100? What powders did you use in both calibers to obtain these speeds?
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jwall,
How much flatter does a 7mm 139gr BTSP fly at 3300 fps over 3100?
What powders did you use in both calibers to obtain these speeds?
Big Redhead: First w/o looking I can't tell the exact diff in trajectory >> but I know it is NOT a great diff. But the added vel increases the momentum and energy. Second, in the 7 RM, I & others, used IMR 4350. >>> slower powders will give a little V more WITH a little more powder.<< .....in the 270/280 we used 'SURPLUS' 4831 (NOT H 4831); WHEN that was gone I switched to IMR 7828. --- In the 300 WM (at least 4 or 5, Ruger 77, B B R, Rem 700, Win 70) I STILL use IMR 4350. IMR 4350 gives pretty good vel PER amount used. I knew what I wanted when I started loading the mags. That was/is ECONOMY, the least powder for the most speed. Slower burning powders WILL give a little more vel at a little more powder used. I have to go now. I'll get back a little later. Maybe something else I need to add.
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I used to have a .350 Remington magnum. It kicked like a magnum but the numbers just weren't there.
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RichardAustin,
Your "Magnum starts on and in conjunction with the curve of diminished return" is interesting--except that in powder-burning rifle cartridges diminished return in bullet energy for the powder burned starts immediately above the .22 Short.
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MM -
What was the bll length of the 350 RM? Some had rather short blls for a mag.
I've never had/loaded a 350 RM and would have to look at the loading manuals for powder charges.
I/We have been told the 35 Whelen gave very similar performance to the 350 RM.
The AMOUNT of powder directly affects the recoil. It's NOT the only thing but it's part of the equation.
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Big Redhead - The reasons I'm still using IMR 4350 & IMR 7828 are: 1. In the 90s WHEN the price of powders reached 15-16 $ /pound.... I < STOCKED > up.  I still have several lbs of each. 2. THEY WORK also in the South we don't have the EXTREME cold of the Northern States, Canada,or Ak. so there is no excessive drop in vel.
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Both are still excellent powders, too!
I've had a couple of .350 Remington Magnums, both with 22" barrels, a Remington 700 Classic and a Ruger 77 Mark II. The .35 Whelens I've owned also had 22" barrels. Velocities were very similar from both rounds, and I never could tell any difference in recoil--but neither of the .350's were super-light carbines. Instesd they were full-sized rifles, weighing at least 8 pounds with scope.
The .350 (and the .35 Whelen) do come back some, especially with 250-grain bullets loaded up around 2600, but they can't be called really hard kickers. Though I do tend to shoot some larger rounds than most people do!
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MM -
What was the bll length of the 350 RM? Some had rather short blls for a mag.
I've never had/loaded a 350 RM and would have to look at the loading manuals for powder charges.
I/We have been told the 35 Whelen gave very similar performance to the 350 RM.
The AMOUNT of powder directly affects the recoil. It's NOT the only thing but it's part of the equation. 22"
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If snot flies when you pull the trigger it's a magnum. No, more appropriately, if the snot stays stationary while your head flies backward it's a magnum.
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Actually, I'd guess that most rifle loonies wouldn't even know about "magnum" bottles of wine if they hadn't read an article by some gun writer mentioning them while writing about magnum cartridges. We're probably the only people who keep the wine term alive.
I recall reading many, many years ago (perhaps by JOC) that the British named Magnum cartridges after a larger-than-normal bottle of champagne, and that they named Express cartridges after a faster-than-normal train. That's still how I think of them today.
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