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#7443315 - 02/14/13 02:08 PM Zastava M70 Bolt action rifle in .243
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I recently picked up a brand new bolt action rifle with this description.

I've got a Pentax 3-9x40 Scope with a 1" tube..

Does this rifle take Model98 commercial mounts or any M98 type mount?

The person at Optics Planet could not confirm anything for me..Brownells says any "commercial m98" mauser mount..so that leaves me confused..

I just want to know my options..the rifle is pre-drilled and tapped from the factory.

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#7443421 - 02/14/13 02:39 PM Re: Zastava M70 Bolt action rifle in .243 [Re: epstud74]
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This is in regards to scope bases..

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#7443665 - 02/14/13 03:30 PM Re: Zastava M70 Bolt action rifle in .243 [Re: epstud74]
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Probably Commercial M98 mounts. You don't have an M70, you have an M98 made by Zastava. Could also try looking for Remington 798 mounts, it's the same action.
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#7443718 - 02/14/13 03:42 PM Re: Zastava M70 Bolt action rifle in .243 [Re: exbiologist]
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Zastava does make a Model 70. It also appears to be a Mauser action.
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#7443787 - 02/14/13 03:54 PM Re: Zastava M70 Bolt action rifle in .243 [Re: Mauser12]
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Here's a link to the rifle..Yes...appears to be a Mauser action..I'll have to take a pic of it tonight next to my K98

http://www.zastava-arms.co.rs/cms/assets..._SLstandard.jpg

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#7443823 - 02/14/13 04:05 PM Re: Zastava M70 Bolt action rifle in .243 [Re: epstud74]
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#7443845 - 02/14/13 04:10 PM Re: Zastava M70 Bolt action rifle in .243 [Re: exbiologist]
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Mark X, Remington 798 mounts will fit that one.
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#7443860 - 02/14/13 04:16 PM Re: Zastava M70 Bolt action rifle in .243 [Re: CowboyTim]
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How about commercial Mauser 98 mounts?

I'm not even sure which Mauser action it's based on..

I'll look up the Mark X and 798

This rifle is brand new..was manufactured within the last few months..I'll look and see who imported it

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#7443865 - 02/14/13 04:19 PM Re: Zastava M70 Bolt action rifle in .243 [Re: epstud74]
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k-var probably imported it. The 798 remingtons should work

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#7443949 - 02/14/13 04:38 PM Re: Zastava M70 Bolt action rifle in .243 [Re: epstud74]
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[quote=epstud74]How about commercial Mauser 98 mounts.

Nope! They are different

Shod

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#7444025 - 02/14/13 04:58 PM Re: Zastava M70 Bolt action rifle in .243 [Re: Shod]
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Says "FME LAS VEGAS" for importer

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#7444106 - 02/14/13 05:15 PM Re: Zastava M70 Bolt action rifle in .243 [Re: epstud74]
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Very common down here - standard commercial M98 Mauser. So interarms mark X, Rem 798, M98 parts all fit.

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#7444167 - 02/14/13 05:26 PM Re: Zastava M70 Bolt action rifle in .243 [Re: Loosecat]
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Originally Posted By: Loosecat
Very common down here - standard commercial M98 Mauser. So interarms mark X, Rem 798, M98 parts all fit.


The interarms Mark X action that I got last week definately would not accept the standard mouser 98 bases that I had. The mark x is machined slightly different than an original 98 action. The interarms mark x and REM. 798 bases will fit.

Shod


Edited by Shod (02/14/13 05:29 PM)

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#7444478 - 02/14/13 06:38 PM Re: Zastava M70 Bolt action rifle in .243 [Re: Shod]
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Brown elks sent me am email stating that commercial Mauser bases will fit. Confusing.

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#7444480 - 02/14/13 06:38 PM Re: Zastava M70 Bolt action rifle in .243 [Re: epstud74]
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Oops Brownells

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#7444587 - 02/14/13 07:10 PM Re: Zastava M70 Bolt action rifle in .243 [Re: Shod]
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Mauser 98 is military. Zastava, Interarms, Daly, Rem 798, etc, etc, etc. - are commercial, and require different mounts.

What is now being touted as "model 70", is the same as other commercial Mausers - and 'bout as far from a model 70 Winchester, as you can get. Same side-safety, same trigger group as previous commercial Mausers. Any of the commercial versions offer excellent protecion from escaping gas - something a model 70 does not.

I do find it amuzing that for seventy-years, the model 70 touted itself as being a Mauser, and now the commercial Mauser is touting itself as being a model 70.

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#7444613 - 02/14/13 07:17 PM Re: Zastava M70 Bolt action rifle in .243 [Re: epstud74]
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Quote:
Confusing.


It's not bad.

Military vs commercial.

If there are stripper clip and thumb slots, and a safety on the cocking piece - it's a military Mauser.

If there are no stripper clip slots, and the safety is Remingtonish - it's a commercial, Mauser-clone.

*there are other differences, but that will take ya a long way*


Edited by Mako25 (02/14/13 07:20 PM)

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#7444874 - 02/14/13 08:29 PM Re: Zastava M70 Bolt action rifle in .243 [Re: Mako25]
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The rear of the receiver does not match the rear of my K98s or VZ24 actions, but the bridge areas are identical.

There is no stripper clip slot

There definitely is a commercial safety.






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#7444883 - 02/14/13 08:32 PM Re: Zastava M70 Bolt action rifle in .243 [Re: epstud74]
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I've shot Browning A-bolts, Tikkas, Savages, Weatherby and yet have had a rifle shoot as well as my old K98 BNZ with FN barrel..Granted I take good care of it and don't shoot it that often, but she's a tack driver.

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#7444902 - 02/14/13 08:39 PM Re: Zastava M70 Bolt action rifle in .243 [Re: epstud74]
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Your photo is of a commercial action. They are not military k98's.

No slots, the front and rear bridge are on the same plane (the rear bridge of a '98 is lower than the front - look at your bases, it'll tell the story).

Also, note the safety, different type, and mounted on the action's side - not on the cocking piece.

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#7444912 - 02/14/13 08:44 PM Re: Zastava M70 Bolt action rifle in .243 [Re: Mako25]
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I knew it was a Mauser, everything about it screamed Mauser from the bolt release to the receiver shape and bolt...but I guess I overthought things and was like, "was it a 96 type action? M98 action?

All of my previous Mauser experiences have been w/the Military large-ring action and I've never used a commercial Mauser before.

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#7444917 - 02/14/13 08:45 PM Re: Zastava M70 Bolt action rifle in .243 [Re: epstud74]
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Quote:
but the bridge areas are identical.



No, they are not.

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#7444922 - 02/14/13 08:46 PM Re: Zastava M70 Bolt action rifle in .243 [Re: epstud74]
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I knew it was a Mauser


No, it is not.

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#7445003 - 02/14/13 09:15 PM Re: Zastava M70 Bolt action rifle in .243 [Re: Mako25]
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Let me know how it shoots. As soon as funds permit I am planning on purchasing the same rifle in 6.5x55. I've got a 6.5x55 CZ and want another rifle in the same caliber.
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#7445060 - 02/14/13 09:45 PM Re: Zastava M70 Bolt action rifle in .243 [Re: Mako25]
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They're pretty close..

"Mauser" as we know it is long gone..I think SigSauer may be importing them again, but not sure.

I have 2 BYF (Oberndorf) BNZ (Steyr)and a VZ24 from Brno and they're all definitely large ring Military Mauser model rifles.

The Zastava and Brno factories both built Mausers before and after the war.

http://www.impactguns.com/zastava-m70-instandardmagnumin-bolt-action-rifle-cal-308-win-ri1978-n.aspx

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#7445067 - 02/14/13 09:47 PM Re: Zastava M70 Bolt action rifle in .243 [Re: cdb]
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I have the CZ in a .308 Mannlicher configuration..I've yet to shoot it..

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#7445094 - 02/14/13 10:00 PM Re: Zastava M70 Bolt action rifle in .243 [Re: epstud74]
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I'll have to take apart the rifle tomorrow..I wonder if the Zastava is the same feed as an actual Mauser

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#7445117 - 02/14/13 10:13 PM Re: Zastava M70 Bolt action rifle in .243 [Re: epstud74]
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A Zastava M70 is an Interarms Mark X. Same rifle - same factory 20 years down the track.

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#7446471 - 02/15/13 09:29 AM Re: Zastava M70 Bolt action rifle in .243 [Re: Loosecat]
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Everything Mako 25 said!!!

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#7446532 - 02/15/13 09:51 AM Re: Zastava M70 Bolt action rifle in .243 [Re: Shod]
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What is the difference?

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#7446542 - 02/15/13 09:53 AM Re: Zastava M70 Bolt action rifle in .243 [Re: epstud74]
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What's the main difference with a commercial 98 and a Mark X? The 98!base will fit in front, but not in back

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#7446567 - 02/15/13 09:59 AM Re: Zastava M70 Bolt action rifle in .243 [Re: epstud74]
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mausers which were military have a hump there for the insertion of a stripper clip of ammo. commercial rifles do not.
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#7446667 - 02/15/13 10:28 AM Re: Zastava M70 Bolt action rifle in .243 [Re: mjbgalt]
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Ok. Let me ask this. What kind of action is the Mark X or Zastava M70? The bolt is very similar to my K98. The receivers differ in that mine has more of the "H" shape w/o the cutout

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#7447698 - 02/15/13 03:11 PM Re: Zastava M70 Bolt action rifle in .243 [Re: epstud74]
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What kind of action is the Mark X or Zastava M70?


Based on the '98 - but not a'98.

Quote:
The bolt is very similar to my K98


Very similar, with the major exception being the shape of the bolt handle. 98's wouldn't accept scopes without some gymnastics, commercial versions do.

Quote:
The receivers differ in that mine has more of the "H" shape w/o the cutout


The front bridge on a 98 is higher than the rear - in other words, they are not on the same plane.

The front, and rear bridge on 98-clones, are on the same plane (made that way for ease of mounting scope bases - which weren't really a consideration in 1898).

*Mauser, thee Mauser, also built commercial actions - that's for another thread*

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#7448338 - 02/15/13 05:45 PM Re: Zastava M70 Bolt action rifle in .243 [Re: Mako25]
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The front bridge on a 98 is higher than the rear - in other words, they are not on the same plane.

The front, and rear bridge on 98-clones, are on the same plane (made that way for ease of mounting scope bases - which weren't really a consideration in 1898).


Afraid not - still lower at the back than the front on commercial M98s such as Interarms Mark X and Zastava M70.

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#7448429 - 02/15/13 06:06 PM Re: Zastava M70 Bolt action rifle in .243 [Re: Loosecat]
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You are correct. Brain fart on my account!

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#7448539 - 02/15/13 06:31 PM Re: Zastava M70 Bolt action rifle in .243 [Re: Mako25]
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I was confused..I know what a military 98 is...but your statements earlier about commercial rifles not being "Mausers" is what threw me off.

Anyways..turned out today that front and back both take Model 98 bases..Will the rifle need shims for the rear base?

Do you consider a Brno a true Mauser?



Edited by epstud74 (02/15/13 07:06 PM)

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#7451577 - 02/16/13 05:22 PM Re: Zastava M70 Bolt action rifle in .243 [Re: epstud74]
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Zastava M70 synthetic....



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#7504548 - 03/02/13 02:36 PM Re: Zastava M70 Bolt action rifle in .243 [Re: bobnob17]
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Nice hog gun. Good shootin

Here's mine next to a K98






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#7505427 - 03/02/13 07:18 PM Re: Zastava M70 Bolt action rifle in .243 [Re: epstud74]
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The Zastava 70 is a Rem 798 is a Charles Daly 98 is an Interarms Mk X varying to some degree in fit & finish. The scope bases from Leupold or whoever will fit that string of "commercial Mausers", all made by the same manufacturer in the former Yugoslavia, as well as the FN commercial versions as marketed by Browning, Sears and FN itself in years gone by. Medium rings on Leupold std bases labeled for FN or Mark X commercial mauser will work with a 3-9x40 scope with clearance front and rear.
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#7505825 - 03/02/13 09:30 PM Re: Zastava M70 Bolt action rifle in .243 [Re: epstud74]
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Originally Posted By: epstud74
I was confused..I know what a military 98 is...but your statements earlier about commercial rifles not being "Mausers" is what threw me off.

Anyways..turned out today that front and back both take Model 98 bases..Will the rifle need shims for the rear base?

Do you consider a Brno a true Mauser?



epstud74, you're still confused. One post it seems you know all there is to know about Mauser and the next post it seems as if you don't know $hit.

You have been helped by six different people that know. Interarms Mk X, Remington 798, Charles Charles Daly Mauser, all bases for these will fit yours... none of these is a military Mauser.

"Do you consider a Brno a true Mauser?" No, a Mauser is a Mauser... a Brno is a ..... BRNO wink
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#7506244 - 03/03/13 05:43 AM Re: Zastava M70 Bolt action rifle in .243 [Re: GeoW]
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I'm well aware that its not a military Mauser. I think it goes without saying right? The only question I had was which commercial Mauser type bases were the best fit? The issue arose from the fact that optics planet, midway USA, Brownells, etc all had different answers and even one had a disclaimer that the Rem 798 would not fit on the others. Even in this very own thread a couple stated that certain bases did not fit, while others did. I'll chalk it up to slight inconsistencies in manufacture.

Not sure how the conversation turned towards cutouts for stripper clips etc.

As for the Brno, you wouldn't consider a Brno VZ24 a Mauser? Seems to me that people are arguing semantics here. I understand that there are small ring and large ring military rifles. I don't care about those, just was confused as to which bases fit the pre drilled holes on the Zastava type rifles, which apparently are a source of disagreement for some

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#7506484 - 03/03/13 07:01 AM Re: Zastava M70 Bolt action rifle in .243 [Re: epstud74]
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oops


Edited by fmajor (03/03/13 07:01 AM)

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#7506618 - 03/03/13 07:37 AM Re: Zastava M70 Bolt action rifle in .243 [Re: 1ElkHunter]
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These will work on a Zastava "commercial" mauser with standard rings:

http://www.leupold.com/hunting-shooting/mounting-systems/std-mounting-systems/std-mauser-fn-2-pc/

If they don't I'll buy them from you.
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#7507353 - 03/03/13 11:26 AM Re: Zastava M70 Bolt action rifle in .243 [Re: epstud74]
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Originally Posted By: epstud74

As for the Brno, you wouldn't consider a Brno VZ24 a Mauser? Seems to me that people are arguing semantics here. I understand that there are small ring and large ring military rifles. I don't care about those, just was confused as to which bases fit the pre drilled holes on the Zastava type rifles, which apparently are a source of disagreement for some


The Brno VZ24 is a Mauser clone, not a Mauser but as you stated, it makes no difference as to your original question which was concerning a Zastava M70 which is neither.

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#7507661 - 03/03/13 01:09 PM Re: Zastava M70 Bolt action rifle in .243 [Re: GeoW]
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So a DOT code K98 would just be a clone?

My zastsva bolt (headspace not withstanding) cycles in all my large ring rifles

Or is your position of that all non-oberndorf rifles are considered clones?

The name "Mauser" IMO ceased to refer to a brand name long ago and pretty much refers to the family of actions it spawned over the last 115 years

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#7507841 - 03/03/13 02:12 PM Re: Zastava M70 Bolt action rifle in .243 [Re: epstud74]
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My position? smile My position is ignorance is bliss and you still have issues wink
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#7507996 - 03/03/13 02:59 PM Re: Zastava M70 Bolt action rifle in .243 [Re: GeoW]
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You guys seem to have vastly different ideas than the gunboards.com forum lol

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#7508023 - 03/03/13 03:05 PM Re: Zastava M70 Bolt action rifle in .243 [Re: epstud74]
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Anyways the Interarms X Weaver Scope bases/rings did the trick. He did have to call and order, but after some discussion (like here) a solution was found. Commercial 98 bases and the Leupold bases mentioned above also work

Took it to a legit gunsmith and dealer it works out fine Scope clears the bell too (barely).

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#7508024 - 03/03/13 03:05 PM Re: Zastava M70 Bolt action rifle in .243 [Re: epstud74]
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#7508045 - 03/03/13 03:09 PM Re: Zastava M70 Bolt action rifle in .243 [Re: shootem]
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Based on what I have seen and read the differences between mauser 98 military and the commercial versions lie in the safety mechanism, floorplate, bolt angle, thumb cut and clip slot. But probably anybody with a little knowledge, a lot of time and the right tools could swap bolts, magazine plates/releases, and safety mechanisms from one to the other......I think.
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#7508121 - 03/03/13 03:29 PM Re: Zastava M70 Bolt action rifle in .243 [Re: shootem]
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Here is the new importer of these rifles

http://www.fimegroup.com/M70.html?page=&is_featured_product=

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#7508134 - 03/03/13 03:34 PM Re: Zastava M70 Bolt action rifle in .243 [Re: shootem]
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I used to live in the Mooresville area btw. In Lincoln County on the west end of Lake Norman.

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