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Yes, JWP and I would do anything for you or anyone else. I have asked him to work together instead of fighting. We were once friends but long distance. There is no need for dispute.
But to dispute means to also prove what you say.
This is not easy for me but John, prove accuracy for everyone. Then tell how to obtain it so others can do it. But if you repeat me as you have done I will tell. I watch you repeat what I have said about bullets/boolits at another site where I can't post because I bucked the King.
Now tell all that you neck shot animals at 275 yards off hand with factory loads in a revolver and guess what I will call you. How about some 275 yard targets? It must be easy for you.
As good as I make a revolver shoot, I have a limit but you seem to be able to throw boolits into the air and kill anything.
I think your shots are like the picture I showed.
Step to the plate and explain how you get the super accuracy but hide it with ego. You have never in your whole life shot a 1" group at 100 yards let alone neck shot an animal almost 3X that far. If you can't get 1" at 100, you will never hit a neck at long range.
I am a mean, old, rotten SOB and hate a liar more then anything. I ask him to prove he does not lie. Just a few witnessed groups from a reputable place.

I don't know anything about either person involved, but it sounds like a good old shootin' contest to me!

I say do it!

Why are you so hung up on long range being the test of a good handgunner, when that not what 99% of handgun owners use them for?

Call out threads do nothing more than brand the OP as an imbecile.

Just taking a guess here, but I think I would blame that darned ol'Elmer. Rest and bless his soul:)

Really, who gives 2 [bleep] about your accuracy claims.

+1

Another +1. John is someone who I've spoken to personally and is a down to earth guy. Somebody who I respect and has more experience than I'll ever have.

Very well said. BFR is the only handgunner I know that brags in every post about how far he can shoot. I always thought that the thrill of handgun hunting was getting close to the game at hand.

Now we see the agenda. You claim to "hate a lair more than anything" yet you are making a claim that is quite simply not true by any stretch of the imagination. You can not provide a link anywhere that I ever claimed to have shot an animal at 275 yards with a revolver. No where because that is a non provable claim by you and only you. No where have I ever posted that I shot an animal at distance standing free hand with out a rest. Just more of your claims that simply are not true.

Yopu constantly make blanket claims in absolutes which are not true. If you would quantify them as "IME" then no one would question. When dealing with different firearms there is always an exception to the rule.


Anyone here doubt that I have a decent knowledge of internal and external, then call Tye Herring in the technical services department at Barnes Bullets and ask him if jwp475 has a clue or not

Since you have called me a liar (which you can not provide proof of) then why would you believe any group that I posted. Under your rules I lose no matter what I post. Except that you made claims that you can not back up with a link to a web site where I said what you claim


I will post this picture that I have posted before, 4 shots 50 yards 2 hits




WHile this was only 50 yards the back ground has to be correct or I can't see them and as most know I do not use an optic of any kind on my handguns at this point in my life. That may change in the future or may not

Y'all quit bein' sticks inna mud.

We got a shootin' contest brewin' here.

Let it happen.

I used to do the IHMSA thing quite a bit back in the late 80's.

At that time, I was burnin' a lotta powder and could hold 2 MOA with a .357 Maximum 10" Thompson Center Contender,..as could many other people who competed at the club I belonged to.

From the Creedmore position, it wasn't unusual for the guys who practiced regularly to go at least 9 for 10 on the Rams at 200 meters.

On a good day, the combined hits would total a 5" group at that distance.

Shoot them big hand rifles until the Zen kicks in, you'll be surprised at what you can do with one of 'em.

I can't do it today, though.

My eyes have goan ta chit and I don't work at it like I did back then.

But there's people out there who can.

Let's have a long range handgun shootin' match!,....C'mon!,..

Let it happen!

Yes, I shot IHMSA too and won almost every revolver shoot. It is not distance. It is about disputing me with accuracy information. I give all of you all that I learned, nothing hidden. I worked hard but you have all of it. It is for you to try, never my way or the highway. When I find something it is a SUGGESTION ONLY. I never made a single statement EVER that it will work for anyone else.
The shotgun shells shown by JWP made me show him so I set shells on their sides, base to me. I shot 5 in a row at 50 yards with the .500 JRH. I only found 3 in the weeds. The target is only 3/4" at 50 yards.
Understand it is not shooter to shooter, it is making a revolver shoot at ANY range. I ask JWP to tell all of you just how to find accuracy and to stop disputing me if he can't. He has NEVER told you a single suggestion or hint.
I would love to see him clang a steel ram every shot at 500 meters because he knows how to load. Factory loads will not do it.
I will go day to day and forget all old pictures with new ones. Name the distance JWP. Name the targets.

Take that scope off and do it with open sights like I did. I used white box winchester that I bought at Wally World. No magic and no pixie dust. I would say that is plenty accurate enough.

Isn't that one of those guys who dress all dapper and ride a blinged out Vespa...and get into fights with the Rockers?

Haha Kevin I think you have Vespa envy!

BFR, did you make those five shots freehand or off a rest?

Funny but a couple of friends in high school were �mods� just 20 years late and wrong side of the Atlantic. But they dressed funny (in High School, didn�t we all) and rode Vespa�s and Lambretta�s. I rode my buds Vespa a couple of times, and found it to be rather annoying; I�ll take a motorcycle. Nowadays I think the mods have evolved into the Goth crowd, but I don�t know that any of them ride scooters. Round my part of the country, when you see a guy riding a little scooter, that means he lost his driver�s license; usually DWI.

geez

really

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Snake

Shot from sandbags. I shot 1/2" groups with open sights from Creedmore at 50 meters when I could see. I still hit water bottles at 100 yards off hand.
Vision loss hurts.
I have to ask if you can do the same from a rest? The scope is gone for an Ultra Dot for deer.
But understand I post how to load, not factory loads. JWP disputes my loads and my information. But he shoots factory.
Hardly anyone can hit small targets off hand with a revolver at distance, nobody can hold still.
This has never been about how good a person shoots, just how you can make a gun shoot, that is where it is and why I say to JWP, any way you shoot but not a Ransom rest. Prove accuracy with loads you make, any way you shoot.
You only dispute my loads and info so if I shot factory only, where would you be? The only knowledge you have is from my posts and those that know how to load. So many from every site can put you to shame with hand loads. The way I understand what you say is that you do not load, do not understand powders or primers and brass. You can not contribute. You never contribute. You have no idea what a revolver needs, you can't help a single person.
Load your own and show us instead of being a rich blowhard.
See these 5 shots at 100 yards in the top of the can. I had to stand the can back up after every shot and the orientation might be off. See it is less then 1". You should beat that easy but if you ever got less then 10" at 100 yards maybe some would listen to you. From a rest, here are 5 shots at 100 yards at the top of this can. Other holes from a friends rifle.

"Yes" would've worked too.

I don't know if I could've made those shots under the same conditions. To be honest, shooting a giant scoped revolver off of sandbags holds zero interest to me, just like what I do with a pistol would probably hold zero interest for you.

As far as the rest of your rambling, incoherent post goes...I don't even know who it was directed at. If you wanna fancy yourself a pistolero, go right ahead.