Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Hunter's Campfire Civil war and the litmus test - will you shoot at Americans?

Its all about spin, some where in the process a LEO will try to take a gun from someone and the LEO will get shot. After that the folks with guns won't be revolutionaries or patriots they will be cop killing criminals and the vast majority of LEO and military will have no trouble shooting on sight.

Combining the Military and the American Public gives you stupidity and over-blown Government and waste? No, you get the checks and balance on the idea of the Government alphabet agencies conducting an assault on the people.

Yes, of course the military is trained to follow orders, LAWFUL ORDERS! It was hammered into our heads over and over and over again that in no uncertain terms that we are, by law, NOT to follow any unlawful orders. What's lawful and unlawful is laid out very clearly for us. It's explained in great detail that to follow an unlawful order is your ASS. You will be held accountable. What Alex Jones and his ilk are suggesting would very well fall within the lines of unlawful.

The Military isn't coming to your door if you refuse a mental exam...

The odds on this whole thing isn't slim, it's zilch.

I cant imagine any LEO in the country will not start thinking twice about that $30,000-$40,000 salary when the incoming bullets are coming from many different directions. Its easy for them to target ONE house with a rat pack of officers as opposed to entering neighborhoods of armed American homes that are of like mind regarding the 2nd amendment. The cops I know have already expressed the irrationality of such thought. I do think it all depends on where you live in the United States and the demographics of said area of the country.

How many cops get shot everyday? The media has tried this tactic repeatedly and it has failed overwhelmingly every time.

obama's brown shirts.

2 weeks he'd have his army, all from chicago, detroit, etc, all TreyThug Martin sons of his, all well accustomed to violence and holding human life in low regard.

Americans who believe they are Africans, and got themselves a mad on carefully programmed into them since birth.

Given a badge, a gun, the promise of regular meals and the ultimate opportunity to lash back at whitey that's kept him down all his life while building a "better America" and they'll gun you down by the thousands.

2 weeks.
Add blue helmets to the mix, all from muslim nations.
Little o would get his war on gun owners, his war on the constitution, his race war, and his "hope and change" all in one tidy package.

dingleBarry and all his pals in and out of gov would start it this afternoon if they could.
muslim brotherhood would have half a million soldiers en route in a helluva hurry, "the great satan" is already their ultimate goal.

I followed some links when this question was posed on a thread some time ago, and found that Marines in 29 Palms were asked if they would fire on American citizens, and over 70% checked "yes". I think the question was just one of many on a questionnaire and it took place in the 'nineties.

No info was given as to the reason for the questions, or how the question was framed.

Exactly.

I replied incorrectly above - I meant if you combine the alphabet agencies, you get stupidity overblown gov't and waste.



I never SAID the military - can't you READ??? A guy a few days ago refused to take a mental exam at his doctor and a few hours later the cops came, got him out of the house and confiscated his firearms.. He had no record, was in no trouble, and was a former permit-holder.. This was all in a post a couple days ago.. Geez...

I pray daily you're absolutely correct... But you go ahead and trust everything in gov't..

I'll pass, thank you...


And I know full well that A. Jones is a bit far out - but he can also make one think a little..

I haven't heard of too many folks that the cops decided were justified when they killed a cop.

Aint gonna happen with the Military Bro Redneck, I've spoke with to many, active and retired as well, if anything they'll mount a coup.

Gunner

trying not to wrap my tinfoil too tightly


I want to believe what HAJ and others have to say about this


but based upon how I've seen our gov't behave and at least half of our elected gov'ts wanton disregard for our Constitution, I find myself more in Redneck's camp.


I believe the greatest danger is incrementalism, they won't make a full out assault on gun owners by any stretch, but think about how the pieces have been moved upon the board?

they've got a large part of the public conditioned to believe anyone with more than 3 firearms and 1000 rds of ammo is a kook just waiting to shoot up some unsuspecting civilians


all they have to do is target those houses they know to have a good supply of firearms and ammo, odds are even most of your neighbors will say "he seemed so nice and so quiet, I'm shocked he had such an arsenal and the things that were on his computer, thank goodness LE got him before he went on a murderous rampage"


they won't come all at once, they'll just pick their shots, and leave the rest of us wondering when they smear their intended target, what if he really is a ______ ?(fill in the blank, terroist, molester, pornographer, communist)


I try never to underestimate my enemy, and unfortunately, it seems more and more certain factions of the gov't have become the enemy to freedom and our Constitution.

Ah, yes, that I absolutely agree upon.





Yes, I can read, and there is no need to get insulting, Lee. I didn't say that you said the military would. I was agreeing that if anyone was coming to your door it would be the alphabet soup agencies. I was also saying that the military and the American public won't stand for that.



You know full well that I don't trust everything in Government. What kind of comment is that!? The fact that I don't trust everything in Government is WHY I told those soldiers that they needed to keep their mouths shut. We need those types to STAY in the Military.




No, Alex Jones requires that you leave your brain at the door. I will give him credit though, he did break the story of the 1.6 billion ammo buy out. He boards the crazy train when he suggests that it's to conduct a war on American's. It's market manipulation.

How many National Guardsmen refused to participate in disarming Louisiana residents after Katrina?

HAJ: I thoroughly recommend you take heed of the old proberb: pissing up a rope and move on..

Now this is more reasonable...

Incrementalism is what has brought us to where we are now. I don't see the scenario you propose as remotely likely, but I do agree with the threat of incrementalism. That's very real and nothing new.

Good post, Randy.


One thing to consider though is that even incrimentalism has an end game. There is a tipping point. When that happens, the failsafes I mentioned will come into play. What happens after that is anybody's guess...

I was there. Lots. That was squelched in a hurry. Nice try...

After it was squelched the disarming was targeted. Like if you shot at my aircraft (which DID happen) then I'm going to request that the guys on the ground take your gun away.

You're probably right, sir...

Did their refusal to participate prevent the National Guard operation from being carried out?

The war is already here for true Americans who believe in the Constitution.