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Which would you rather have if wanting a flat shootn short action hunting rifle? I May re barrel something one of these days. What say you?
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The Ruger 6.5 Creedmoor in the classifieds.
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The .260. Far more factory ammo options for those times when you don't want to have to reload. I reload, but have a couple boxes of .260 fusions and a couple cases of Federal Gold Medal Match .260 for just that reason.
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I love the .260, but if I were doing it again, I'd probably go with the CM. identical performance but better case design and COAL latitude. Can't see any downsides...
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wanting a flat shootn short action hunting rifle? I would go with a 6mm Rem. and fire a 69 grain G.S.Custom. It shows a BC of .367. http://www.gsgroup.co.za/hvtech.html
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Check the rifle first.
If it's a 2.8" mag go with the CM or 47 Lapua
My 260 Savage has a 3" magazine so even the longest bullets will fit.
260 brass and ammo are easier to find.
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I have a creedmoor, not in a long range set up per se since its on an encore, but its an awesome caliber with hardly any recoil and factory hornady amaxs were only 25 a box
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The Creed is standardized on a 1/8 twist...
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I like the 6.5 x 47 Lapua and my second choice would be a 7MM-08 if you are talking whitetails or predators. Just IMHO, but you can't go wrong with the other calibers listed previously either
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I'd pick a rifle I liked in either of them over selecting which of those rounds. I wouldn't call either of them "flat shooting" rounds, either. Their strong points are their abilities to handle very high BC bullets which result in minimum wind drift, in low recoiling rifles. Which makes shooting them alot and more accurately easier on the shooter. So pick the rifle you think would fit your needs best. E
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I have both and I used to have a 6.5x47L too. Ballistically they are all the same for me, the 6.5x47 brass is very tough and you can run them hot plus it leaves you the most mag length for seating.
The 260 is the easiest to find brass for and has the most options but you trim more and run out of mag space quickly, best to think Wyatt's or alpha 2's and the likes with a 260.
The creedmoor is right in the middle length wise but most reamers have .199 freebore so vld type bullets end up being out there a ways to get them close to the lands like a 260 anyways.
I'm currently thinking a 260 reamer with a .298 neck and around .08 freebore might be worth a try for my next hunting rig. I should just do another creedmoor because the one I have is awesome but going 260 would help me run different headstamped brass to keep straight which ones are for which guns. My 260 carbon is happy and 1/2 moa with rem brass, I obviously run hornady in my creedmoor and it does .3's and under, with a .298" neck on the next 260 I could run Lapua in it.
If I only had 1 short 6.5 it would be the creedmoor though. It's just a good looking and easy to load for cartridge.
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Well from a pure hunting stand point I would choose neither one. And I am a die hard fan of the 6.5 x 55 Swede. The older I get the less and less I want to chase the pink dragon when it comes to hunting rifles cartridges and what bullet to shoot. My guess you are a southern White Tail Deer hunter, You want something that is flat shooting yet easy on the shoulder, and you want something that is readily available both in loaded ammo and in component form if you hand load. I would think a 25-06 would fit the bill and then some for your purposes. But If you really want a 6.5 mm cartridge, get a 260 or just do a 6.5 x 55!
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I would do a 6.5x47 lapua over the Creedmore, then the .260 last. The 6.5x47 because of the Lapua brass and small primer pocket.
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I would do the 6.5x47L last because of the small primer pocket. They are great in a target rifle that is shot in the summer but I have seen some pretty bad performance out of small pocket oversized cases (22 Cheetah comes to mind) in cold weather.
The only advantage to the Creed is the extra lattitude for seating bullets out. If you have any intentions of using factory ammo- the Creed is out. With the 260 you can find factory ammo fairly easy and you can use 243, 260, 708 and 308 brass for reloading.
I am currently running a 260AI and it rocks!
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If you handload, cases for the Creedmoor really aren't a problem, since it can easily be formed from .22-250 brass. It requires one more step (Cream of Wheat forming) than necking .243/.308 brass up or down, but it's no big deal.
I've handloaded and hunted with both the .260 and 6.5 CM quite a bit, but these days have a 6.5x55 with 3.35 inch magazine and a 1-8 Lilja and minimum chamber. With Lapua brass it shoots accurately enough that I'm kinda done with the .260 and Creedmoor. But you never know what might come over a rifle loony....
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I'd rather have the 6.5 x 55.
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I'm shooting the 260 Ackley in a Rem short action. Berger 130 VLD's at 3,000 mv.
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I'm shooting 108 Lapuas at 3300
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I'd take none of the above. The 6.5x284 beats them all by more than a whisker. 100gr BT at 3400fps, 120grs at 3200fps, and 140s at 3000 fps. Norma and nosler brass and ammo and more and more factory guns.
If you want a factory 6.5 for long range shooting on game up to elk, there is no better choice than the big swede.
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I'd pick a rifle I liked in either of them over selecting which of those rounds. I wouldn't call either of them "flat shooting" rounds, either. Their strong points are their abilities to handle very high BC bullets which result in minimum wind drift, in low recoiling rifles. Which makes shooting them alot and more accurately easier on the shooter. So pick the rifle you think would fit your needs best. E Best answer on the whole thread
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How far have you shot your 6.5/.284 on elk?
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Doesn't the 6.5-284 have a good appetite for barrel steel?
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I'd pick a rifle I liked in either of them over selecting which of those rounds. I wouldn't call either of them "flat shooting" rounds, either. Their strong points are their abilities to handle very high BC bullets which result in minimum wind drift, in low recoiling rifles. Which makes shooting them alot and more accurately easier on the shooter. So pick the rifle you think would fit your needs best. E Best answer on the whole thread Yup. When I was looking for a 6.5x55, an unfired Sako 75 Grey Wolf in .260Rem presented itself at $1,000. Their ballistics were so close as to be virtually identical (even though there are other significant differences). I pounced on it! Had it been a 7x57 it would have suited me just fine as I was not hung up on only one. It's comforting to be open to a number of chamberings that could be acceptable so you can jump on a good buy when one turns up that is "close enough". Note: I've since replaced the front ring.
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Doesn't the 6.5-284 have a good appetite for barrel steel? A friend was preparing to buy a new rifle for a long range rig. He did a lot of research on the net, as well as asking people who might know. He's cheap. We talked about having one built and which chambering. He's cheap. He opted for a salvage in 6.5-284. He's shooting a 130 at 3000. My Creedmoor shoots a 140 at 2880 and I have no doubt the 130 at 3000. 10 grains less powder. The OP asked about the 260 and Creedmoor and E has the answer. If the question was "which 6.5", my God there's a lot of answers! Mine has ".264", "Winchester", and the word "Magnum" in it
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I'm shooting 108 Lapuas at 3300 grin I'm shooting the 260 Ackley in a Rem short action. Berger 130 VLD's at 3,000 mv. I'm shooting a 22" barrel something the Creed or the .47 can't do. Seems they need 26" and higher psi to try and keep up with the 260. If you want a factory 6.5 for long range shooting on game up to elk, there is no better choice than the big swede Really, why is that? ......... Forbes new 24B 6.5x55 would be a great candidate for punching the .55 to 6.5x284.
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How far have you shot your 6.5/.284 on elk? I haven't. But, if your co-horts in the gun writing industry can shoot an elk at 650yds with a 6.5creedmore [and post it on You tube ]with hornady ammo, don't you think the Big Swede could shoot further than that?
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6.5 wsm. 8 tw. 26" barrel, use 270 wsm brass for ease of necking down. 63 gr h1000 w/140 berger will get you +3300 fps. no the barrel wont last as long as the 260 but used for hunting it will go for many years. use norma brass as win. isnt as good.
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How far have you shot your 6.5/.284 on elk? I haven't. But, if your co-horts in the gun writing industry can shoot an elk at 650yds with a 6.5creedmore [and post it on You tube ]with hornady ammo, don't you think the Big Swede could shoot further than that? If I am going to shoot elk at more than about 700-800 yards, which is pretty dang far, I am going to use my 340 Wby, not my 6.5-284. I did make a VERY long shot on a coyote with the 6.5-284. Mine is a little heavy so I carry the 260AI,which is a Mt. Rifle, if I think I can get away with it. Shot a pretty big bear in August with 140 SGKs out of it.
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I'd pick a rifle I liked in either of them over selecting which of those rounds. I wouldn't call either of them "flat shooting" rounds, either. Their strong points are their abilities to handle very high BC bullets which result in minimum wind drift, in low recoiling rifles. Which makes shooting them alot and more accurately easier on the shooter. So pick the rifle you think would fit your needs best. E Best answer on the whole thread Except it wasn't an answer. The tip to pick a rifle you like is as useful as 'don't shoot yourself in the foot with it'. Of course you should pick a rifle you like, I think the OP is wondering if your local gun store has a rifle that fits you perfectly in 260 and 6.5CM which should you choose? I'd go 260. I never buy a rifle that I plan to sell, but one should always take into account resale value if you ever do sell it. I think most non-rifle-looneys have at least heard of a 260, not so much the 6.5CM.
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What he meant was that the chamberings are ballistically identical. Pick the rifle that fits your needs based on other factors such as weight, barrel contour, stock fit, trigger, etc.
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Right, ballistically equivalent. But, the OP didn't ask if they were. I think he was looking for other factors such as component availability, resale value, factory ammo availability, etc. Some might not have a preference, but i don't think he was looking for their opinions.
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I'm going to be selling a Ruger 77 Mk II in 260. If anybody is interested PM me and I'll get pics.
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For the OP:
Since you reload, i'd run the 6.5CM as you'll have more seating depth room and "might" not have to run your bullets up against the front end of the mag well as you would the 260 Rem. That's the reason I run two 6.5x47's; LOTS of seating depth room to chase your lands as your throat burns out and lengthens. With the 260 Rem, about the time you find a decent load, you've run out of mag room.
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Alan, aka GSSP, pointed out what I would expect to be the most important difference between the two cartridges. That would be a far more significant factor in the rifle's accuracy than any difference in inherent accuracy between the two cartridges.
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The Creedmore rifles come with a faster twist barrel and are throated and mag'd for longer heavier bullets.
The 260 remingtons generally come with a bit slower twist barrel and are designed for a bit shorter....lighter bullet. If I wanted a long-range shooter I'd get the creed!
Personally I prefer the 7 mms for long range so for myself I'd go with a 260 remington and I'd push a 100 gr barnes bullet hard and fast in a mountain rifle package sporting a 20 inch barrel.
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