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I have 400 pcs of the stuff and no none of it is for sale.:D
Realize that with the longer COAL I was hoping to go to slower powders not just to get speed but get lower pressures.
I'll be trying H1000, though I was hoping that RS Magnum would work.
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If you wanna go slow try RL22 or RL25 ![[Linked Image]](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v663/bwestfall/TARGETS/DSCN0373.jpg) DAMN THOSE FLYERS!
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This is slow... 3000 fps 139 scenar from an 6.5-06 at 550 yards. It'll do better.  ![[Linked Image]](http://photos.imageevent.com/wyowhisper/rifles/large/DSC_0144.jpg)
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This is really slick rig, and at 8lb 8oz a rather handy LR package.
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Any of you 6.5 guys ever try the Woodleigh 160 gr. PP SN? I've ordered some to try in my 8 twist FN Mauser/Shilen 6.5x55. I can push them to 2,650 fps and they have a B.C. of .509, which is pretty impressive. Woodleigh recommends 1,900 to 3,000 fps.
I was thinking they'd be good for larger critters. On paper, in the 6.5x55 round, they drop only 3-4" more at 400 yds. than 140 gr. bullets at 2,800 fps., and with 1,420 ft. pounds of K.E. at that distance.
Not sure how fast they could be pushed in a bigger case. If they could be started at 3,000 fps or so, that could be real impressive. .264 WM data tops out at around 2,900 fps. It would seem to me, with the new powders, that a case the size of the .265 WM could push that bullet to 3,000 fps.
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There is also a 156 gr. Oryx by Norma(?) maybe that Muledeer likes a lot.
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The old 6.5x55 made its name with long, heavier bullets at modest velocity.
6.5mm, IMHO, is a great caliber and we don't see much info about the heavier bullets. The trend seems to be lighter bullets at higher velocity.
I'm wanting to try the heavier bullets and see how they perform. My 6.5x55 is an 8 twist, so it should do OK. I have an 8.5 twist 6.5-284, but it's alrealy set up for long range with 140 VLD's. May be interesting to see what it would do with 160's.
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I've played with a lot of cartridges over the years and I am REALLY liking this 6.5 Rem Mag. It's quickly heading to all time fav. The speed it gets, the recoil level, ease of loading, it is not fussy at all. A 140 partition loaded for a short action at 3,100 would be all you would need for elk. ... And I am thinking of building a short action in one. Wish I had that SA Ti I sold a few years ago! 
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The only thing that would concern me is the SA. I know you can get a longer mag. My 6.5x55 is in a LA and it works great with the heavier bullets loaded long. And, that's the way it's chambered. My 6.5-284 is on a LA and I like that set up, too.
Otherwise, I'm with you. The brass availability may be the main down side to the 6.5 RM, but that can be overcome. The belt doesn't bother me, one way or the other.
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I've played with a lot of cartridges over the years and I am REALLY liking this 6.5 Rem Mag. It's quickly heading to all time fav. The speed it gets, the recoil level, ease of loading, it is not fussy at all. A 140 partition loaded for a short action at 3,100 would be all you would need for elk. ... And I am thinking of building a short action in one. Wish I had that SA Ti I sold a few years ago! Following this thread, PM me in 6 months and I'll send you pics of a sa TI 6.5 RM, just waiting on my Mcm edge
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Thanks! You make me sick!! What barrel length and contour are you going with? Can the Edge hold 3 in the belly? I know the Classic in Edge can.
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My mcschnabel edge holds 3 rounds of 350RM in the belly no problem
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My short list was
6.5X55
6.5-06
6.5 Rem Mag
kinda know where I ended up.
I picked the least sexy but most practical for me.
I never regreted not going with the swede but often thought about the mag.. but never got past the belt.
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don't be worried about a short action. The thin bullets don't take up much powder room and you lose very little speed. Most bullets work well except for the VLD types, the 160 Hornady and 140 Rem CL. My Rem 660 likes the 130 Accubond and RL22. Phenomenal round.
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Thanks! You make me sick!! What barrel length and contour are you going with? Can the Edge hold 3 in the belly? I know the Classic in Edge can. What the hell else you gonna do with a 300saum? Lol It's a 24 inch number 3, .625 @ muzzle that will be fluted and turned down a bit in the shank area. 8.5 gain twist to shoot 127 lrx and 130 swifts and accubonds. I'm hoping it will hold 3, it's getting a Wyatt's cf extended box to load out to 2.91 or so. Should do 3100-3150 with these bullets I think. Cheers
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Seems 6.5 Shooters from the Grendel thru the largest mag cases, can't be displeased  It must be a Magic Caliber!
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Shot more test loads in the 6.5 RM yesterday.
So far, H4831 wins out for accuracy and low ES, less than 12, at an average speed of 3,050.
That is a nice load.
RS Magnum shows great promise with a primer change.
Can't find any H1000 to try out.
I'll be revisiting W780 in then next batch.
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Less than 12 is NICE! I wouldn't wrinkle up your nose at the speed either. What does your verticle at 300/500 look like? FWIW... H4831sc has the lowest ES in the 6.5-06 (8) verticle at 550 yards was @ 1" I may try standard H4831 to fill the case a bit more. My theory is a fuller case = more consistient. Try IMR 7828 and 7828ssc many times it'll give you more velocity. Cartridge : 6.5 mm Rem. Mag.
Bullet : .264, 140, Berger VLD Useable Case Capaci: 57.762 grain H2O = 3.750 cm�
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.806 inch = 71.27 mm
Barrel Length : 24.0 inch = 609.6 mm
Powder : IMR 7828 SSC
Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
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-20.0 78 42.40 2308 1656 28802 9487 87.4 1.668
-18.0 79 43.46 2368 1744 30723 9824 88.9 1.624
-16.0 81 44.52 2429 1834 32776 10152 90.3 1.582
-14.0 83 45.58 2490 1927 34968 10470 91.6 1.540
-12.0 85 46.64 2551 2023 37316 10776 92.9 1.499
-10.0 87 47.70 2612 2121 39828 11069 94.0 1.452
-08.0 89 48.76 2673 2222 42517 11346 95.1 1.408
-06.0 91 49.82 2735 2325 45399 11608 96.0 1.364
-04.0 93 50.88 2796 2431 48489 11851 96.9 1.323
-02.0 95 51.94 2858 2539 51808 12075 97.7 1.283
+00.0 97 53.00 2919 2649 55373 12278 98.3 1.244 ! Near Maximum !
+02.0 99 54.06 2980 2761 59210 12460 98.9 1.207 ! Near Maximum !
+04.0 101 55.12 3042 2876 63342 12618 99.3 1.170 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+06.0 103 56.18 3102 2992 67792 12752 99.7 1.135 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+08.0 105 57.24 3163 3110 72612 12860 99.9 1.101 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+10.0 107 58.30 3223 3230 77820 12942 100.0 1.069 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
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