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Or the whole thing could have happened very quickly. Im sure martin coukd speak while throwing punches

" I may be mistaken but i don't believe there was an illegal act by Z."

I never said there was. Could there have been an illegal act by GZ in the time it was just him and Martin?

Of course.

What does it mean at this point?

Nothing.

It is no problem to hurt a person with a padded surface behind their head. Concrete just makes it that much easier. You're so far off it's silly....

I think those four lumps are affecting your judgment.

Either that or you are making up a story to try & get some clout.

Gene i took it the context. That you are arguing against aquittal because Z. Was doing something he shouldnt have been. It doesnt matter.

Since it is not a problem, please just lead us thru it step by step?

You are astraddle of the guys belly and he is conscious. You grab what part of him with which hand?

Remember, you have to get his head far enough off the concrete to generate enough speed for a good impact.

And you can bet he ain't in favor of your planned maneuver, so expect some opposition.

That "illegal act" was part of the statute someone posted. I just repeated it for the sake of accuracy.

"Either that or you are making up a story to try & get some clout."


You forgot the smiley face.

It really isn't that hard to imagine Zimmerman trying to get out from under Martin is it. I mean, a guy is on top of you trowing punches, your instinct is to sit up, when Zimmerman does that he gets a hand to the face and his head slammed into the concrete, at which point Martin continues throwing punches.

Lets say it is very difficult to slam someones head into the concrete, which it isn't, how would you explain the cuts and bruises on the back of Zimmerman's head? Please walk us through your version.

Currydog.

I believe you avoided answering my question.

Did GZ have to wait until his head was spit open before he could defend himself, and in your version of self defense, not go to jail?

One thing is being overlooked..if you get hit with a decent lick in the head..you don't wiggle much.

My experience of getting my head slammed into the concrete while someone straddled me & I was n my back wasn't worth a smiley face.

You would think a state champ wrestler could get out of that situation. I used to feel the same way.....

This whole trial is BS.

I didn't avoid your statement. You are avoiding Zimmerman's.

The concrete had nothing to do with him fearing for his life. He feared for his life because of a verbal threat and the fear Martin would get his gun.

That's what GZ says.

And y'all are still talking about concrete.

HIS fear is all that matters in establishing self defense.

I did notice that during the ME questioning the defense got a pretty good setup for their own expert. When the ME mentioned using his reference books during his examination of TM the defence asked if one of the books was the one by the fella who I believe they are gonna use as their expert witness.

The concrete had nothing to do with him fearing for his life. He feared for his life because of a verbal threat and the fear Martin would get his gun.

That's what GZ says.
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Now I understand. You haven't been paying one bit of attention.

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After his testimony, the ME today won't be able to get out of town fast enough. He was a humiliating witness for the state.

He was one of many humiliating witnesses for the state.

So, by your standard, if someone breaks my nose, and is pounding my head against concrete, that's all irrelevant until the person says they are going to kill me???

By that same reasoning, if someone is shooting at me, I can't shoot back until he says he's going to kill me....and that you believe he said it???

Really CD???

I find it funny that the concrete had nothing to do with his fear, I have had people tell me they were going to kill me before. Of course they were reacting to a joke I pulled on them or something similar so I didn't actually think they were going to kill me.

Now take those same words and place a person on top of me throwing punches and slamming my head into the concrete and I think the way I take those words will be much different.

It all played a part in the decision to use his weapon in self defense. The fact that Zimmerman didn't instantly go for his gun the first time he as punched or the first time he had his head slammed, and that he was yelling for help, should show that there came a point that he decided he had to act or he might die. If the first 1, 2, or 3 head slams and the first 5-10 punches didn't provoke Zimmerman to shoot Martin then what happened that finally made him pull the trigger.

Simply put you don't go out looking to kill someone then let them beat your ass for a few minutes before you pull the trigger.

It's not about the amount of damage that was done, it was about the amount about to be done if it continued.
I got stitches in my head once because I sneezed while working under a car. At the sneeze my head moved up hit the frame then bounced back and slammed the concrete.
Kinda about the same as getting hit I guess.
I sure wouldn't have wanted that event to have that happen multiple times.