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Though my son does most everything right handed, over the winter shooting his pellet gun, it became apparent that he is left eye dominant. Since we've switched him to shooting lefty, he's much more accurate.

Though I'm pretty sure I know the answer, would the same follow with bows? Right now I'm not really certain that he aims, but just shoots it towards the target. I think he's turning his head to try to use his left eye. Thoughts?

At his age, I would work on making the other eye dominate. Try to get him to shoot with his left eye closed. If he has a problem with it, get him a patch. Dominance will change. (We do it with kids that want to shoot clays all the time.)

+1 Get him a patch.

Really? I had no idea that eye dominance could be changed.

I'm left eye dominant and right handed, and it's hindered my shotgunning over the years, no doubt about it.

It doesn't affect my bow shooting at all because I shoot traditional in the instinctive style. In fact, I think it helps my sight picture by getting the bow out of my view.

Actually, it is best to switch him to a left handed bow and forget the patch. You need both eyes open for binocular vision. He can shoot with a patch, but he will be better off in the long run by switching, especially if he ever decides to get into competition archery.

He won't need the patch shortly. Eye dominance will change.

Never heard of switching eye dominance. One thing to consider: What if the dominant eye is dominant because it works better?

I am left handed but right eye dominant. I began shooting either hand then switched to righty for handguns, bows and rifles. Can shoot either way on doves from a chair which is handy. Always shoot with both eyes open.


Did a search on this topic and read about using a patch vs switching from right handed to left handed in this lengthy post:

Getting a Grip on Your Dominant Eye

By JOEL M. VANCE


Eye dominance is a basic of shotgun shooting, but some hunters don't know if they shoot with their dominant eye or not � didn't even know they "had" a dominant eye.

Most of them are missing the mark � literally.

Everyone has a dominant eye and for most it is the eye that corresponds to their dominant hand; in other words, a right-handed person will be right-eye dominant and a lefty left-eye dominant.

But not always and for those who, say, shoot right-handed, but have a dominant left eye, there is a problem. The left eye will point the gun several inches from where it should be � far enough to almost insure a miss. Shooting with a built-in error is no way to consistent success.

It's simple to find your dominant eye. Just point at any object with both eyes open (or make a circle with thumb and fingers and center an object in the circle). Assuming you're right-handed, shut your left eye. The finger or circle should still be on target if your right eye is dominant.

Shut your right eye. Your finger will be pointing to the right of the target if you're right-eye dominant.
Another method is to cut a small circle in a sheet of paper and, with both eyes open, line it up on an object some feet away, using the hole like the peep sight on a gun. Assuming right-handedness, shut your left eye. The object should remain centered if you also are right-eye dominant.

Try it a half-dozen or more times. You should get the same result each time. But there are a few people who don't have a consistent dominant eye. Eileen Clarke, a Montana outdoor writer, is one. "I checked it some years back and every time, my right eye was dominant," she says.

"But a couple of years ago, I started missing birds. I checked again and every other time I tested, my dominant eye was different � one time the right eye, the next time the left eye."

She got help from Bill Dowtin, a Flagstaff, Ariz., gunsmith. Dowtin has worked with many "cross-dominant" shooters and believes the only two viable solutions are, first, to switch shoulders and shoot from the dominant side or, second, to close the dominant eye before the shot. In Clarke's case, he used a third solution: obscuring the vision in the dominant eye enough to force dominance to the other eye. The Orvis Wing-Shooting Handbook (Nick Lyons Books, 31 West 21 St., New York, N.Y. 10010, $8.95) is the only instruction manual I've found that deals with what author Bruce Bowlen calls cross-dominance. He deals with the problem in some detail.

His preferred solution is for the shooter to learn to shoot from the dominant-eye side. In other words, a right-handed shooter with a left-dominant eye should learn to shoot from the port side. This is the preferred solution for everyone I talked to.

Gun writer Tom Gresham is cross-dominant. His father, Grits Gresham, who also is a gun writer, noticed it when Tom was young. "He quickly switched me to shooting left-handed," Gresham says. "The thing to watch for is a shooter leaning his head over the stock to use the 'wrong' eye for sighting."

Gresham shoots a handgun right-handed, but the aiming stance is different from a shotgun and the handgun essentially splits the difference between the two eyes. Try it � grip your fists together as if you were shooting a handgun and point at an object. If you close your eyes alternately, you'll see your pointing fingers jump to one side or the other of the object.

But you can ' t shoot a shotgun like that unless you rest the butt in the center of your chest. Hurts. Not recommended.

Gresham estimates that about 10-12 percent of the population is left-handed, but somewhere around 20 percent is left-eye dominant, which means quite a few people have a cross-dominant problem. He thinks left-handers with right-eye dominant are few � but I've talked to some, so the problem exists on both sides.

"People can change their shooting side even as adults," Gresham says. "Easiest way is to keep a gun handy in your office or living room. Shoulder the gun on the 'correct' side every few minutes. Do this every day for a couple of months and it starts to feel natural."

New shooters shouldn't have much problem adjusting, but old dogs probably will have trouble learning that new trick. However, people learn to eat offhanded or dribble a basketball. And baseball is filled with switch-hitters (Ted Williams, modern baseball's greatest hitter, is cross-dominant). For many, it's a matter of practice. When the incentive is more birds on the ground, it's worth a try.

Dennis Carpenter, an archery coach from Washington state, also recommends switching sides. I've worked with eye patches with some success, but if shooters are serious about improving beyond average, I always recommend switching hands to match the dominant eye."

Steve Gregory is a Maryland certified NRA instructor who is left-handed and right-eyed. "I've worked with a number of boys who are cross-dominant, including my son," he says. "It initially takes a bit of work, but with patience anyone can learn to shoot off either shoulder."

Orvis's Bowlen also suggests as a solution shutting the dominant eye at the moment of shooting. "The shooter can use both eyes until the last instant," he says. "Only after the decision to shoot has been made and the gun starts toward the shoulder is the eye closed."

But Bob Brister, longtime gun editor of Field and Stream magazine, competition shooter and gun instructor, thinks that at least in some shooters the sight picture is so fixed that they'll continue to point the gun where their dominant eye told them to. even with that eye closed. "You should shut your eye before you ever see the target," he says.

And there are some who simply can't close one eye -- they can't wink. They either have both eyes open or both shut. So the closed-eye solution won't work for them.

It goes against good gunnery to shut one eye while shotgun shooting. Keeping both eyes open and concentrating on the bird is the nub of successful shotgunning � but that's only when the eye and hand work together.

A third possibility is to obscure part of the dominant eye or blur its vision enough to force the other eye to become dominant.

It doesn't work with all people, but most shooters respond. Some put a bit of tape on the top part of the dominant eye lens of their shooting glasses.

Opaque tape cuts vision, so transparent tape is better. It blurs vision enough to cause the dominant eye to stumble and hand the baton to the other eye.

Brister has used tape or something to weaken vision in a cross-dominant eye, forcing the proper eye to become dominant. He once ran onto a cross-dominant shooter at a meeting and improvised a solution by spitting on the fellow' s lens, then sprinkling dirt on the slobber. Crude � but effective.

His method is to mount the gun on the shoulder of a buddy or over a tree limb so you don't have to use the leading hand. Close the cross-dominant eye and get a proper sight picture with the eye you want to become dominant. Then shut that eye without moving the gun.

Grease your free hand forefinger with something � Vaseline, hair grease, even nose slime. Position your finger until it obscures the gun barrel and dab the grease on that spot. you later can apply Scotch tape or a shooter' s aid called Magic Dot to the inside of the lens so it won't come loose.

Then you have a permanent fog that should force your dominant eye into submission. It' s an aggravation � any eyeglass wearer knows how irritating a blur on the lens is � but may solve the problem.

The dominant eye can change as one grows older and eyes themselves undergo change. Brister says, "Of all the problems I see among shooters who are reasonably competent, eye changes are the most common. A shooter who was strongly right-eye dominant when he was younger starts to get some eye changes and the eye that doesn't have all that gun mass in front of it wants to take over and start running the show."

Brister has had a couple of cataract operations and finds that when his eyes gets tired, dominance will switch to the off-eye.

The final and most expensive solution to the problem is what's known as a crossover stock, a specially-made stock that bends (casts) enough to point the gun properly even though the cross-dominant eye is trying to force it off the target.

Theoretically, it should work. If you're shooting properly, you aren't looking at the barrels and have no idea where they are pointing. You won't notice that they're off-line according to your eye. If you did, you'd bring them back in line � and, for the cross-dominant shooter, force them off the target again.

But Dowtin doesn't think special stocks will work. "I've made stocks for 20 years," he says. "And I've seen no evidence that a bent stock will correct the problem. Your dominant eye will pull those barrels off the target. I don't know how much is conscious and how much subconscious, but the dominant eye will take over and ruin the shot."

Gunstocks are like education � they're built for the average user. Most shooters find a gun that fits or is comfortable enough to use. They experiment with straight grips or pistol grips or Monte Carlo grips, find a length that feels good. Some build length in with a butt pad or add weight to the stock.

A good gun maker (for a commensurately good price) will custom-fit a stock by using a try-gun (a gun with an adjustable stock, like an old dressmaker's form). Try-guns solve all problems except the cross-dominant eye. They aren't versatile enough to design a stock that bends enough to help the cross-dominant shooter. So, the gun maker must rely on trial-and-error and experience.

It costs money, probably lots, because only very good gun makers will have the skill to build a successful stock. It really isn't a practical solution. Having a special stock made will cost far more than buying a bunch of ammunition to learn how to shoot from the other shoulder. While it goes against the grain of every shotgun shooter, most of whom are convinced they ' re as good a shot as anyone, to start all over, starting over is better than muddling through life shooting several inches off-target every time.

(Editor Note: Joel Vance is the author of Grandma and the Buck Deer ($15 soft cover), Confessions of an Outdoor Maladroit ($22 hardcover); and a book-on-tape collection of short stories read by the author, Billy Barnstorm, The Birch Lake Bomber ($17), autographed and postpaid from Cedar Glade Press, Box 1664, Jefferson City, MO. 65102.)

That is some REALLY bad advice.

I'm right-handed, left eye dominant. When I was a kid, everything I did archery-wise improved drastically when I finally started shooting a left-handed bow instead of a righty.

>>Since we've switched him to shooting lefty, he's much more accurate. <<

Bingo!

At his age, start shooting lefty with a bow also. Period.

If we he was 15-20 years older he could definitely adapt but it's too easy for him to just switch now.

It's a lot easier to switch eyes, than it is hands.

Right eyed here and began at about 12 yrs as a lefty with no mentors to help. When I was about 30 yrs, a skilled shooter noticed my struggles and insisted I switch hands. It was horrid and I thought near insane for about two days, and then things (strength, dexterity, and accuracy) came around. I can't imagine trying to go back now.

Yes one can compensate with heavy concentration, winking, or patching one eye. Success, and success when one is in a hurry, however, will be more frequent if one follows his natural tendencies. Closed eyes etc greatly hinder range and velocity estimates and halve ones peripheral vision. The third, especially, I see as a safety issue, as we should have our full field of vision available when involved in any of our shooting sports. Who wants to go through a series of conscious (winking/eye patching/ or whatever) exercises to compensate when they're facing down a charging bear or rabid racoon. Lets just do it right.

I've never actually met anyone with a documented eye dominance switch. I have seen patches used to rectify lazy eye conditions in young children.

While muscle memory may make things a bit difficult at first, I would switch him over to his dominant eye.

This issue is probably one of the most overlooked problems when adults introduce their youngsters to shooting. A real shortfall when we "assume."

I think many parents and wicked nuns have done more damage by forcing the issue than by intelligently assesing conditions in the beginning and going with a kid's natural wiring. One of my hunter ed students said it the best when we saw her struggling with right handed holds and an attempt to use her left eye on the gun range. Her exact quote was, "my cheap bastard dad won't spend the money to buy me a left handed rifle." This with a guy that was really hoping his daughters would take up hunting.


Yes, you answered your own question.

Im right handed and left eye dominant. I have zero problems shooting bows or rifles right handed and closing my left(dominant eye). Hand guns I hold right handed, but close my right eye. Odd, but it works for me. With shotguns I have resorted to simply leaving both eyes open. and it works pretty good for me.

My wife, same issue. Switch him to left handed and he will improve, much better to hunt and shoot with both eyes open. Worked for her tenfold.

He'll thank you for it later, even if buying let handed gear is a PIA!

I am right handed and left eye dominant. My dad did not want me to shoot left handed so he taught me to shoot right handed could not hit nothing went to the left side 47 years ago and still shooting good. Used to shoot bow right handed every one said that was the way to go but one day while practicing shooting coach saw group change and asked if it happened often and I said it did. He said that I should shoot on my dominant side. Went to the left hand and have not had the problem since. The only problem with being left handed is finding rifles and bows not the choices that the righties have.

I can't speak for everyone out there, but my old man had me use a patch for a while as a kid. I couldn't be more happy that he did. You're at a serious disadvantage when it comes to finding quality equiptment for sale as a lefty, whether we're talking archery or firearms, just look through the classifieds and see how many good deals are out there for a lefty. Not sure why some feel that using a patch is such bad advice. I'd be happy to shoot against anyone who feels that using a patch to change eye dominance has a negative affect on future ability.

Not sure if it is the same with wheelies but the greatest trad shooter of all time shot right handed but was left eye dominant, Howard Hill.

These threads never settle the issue for me. I have a 9 year old daughter that is right handed, but left eye dominant. So far she is shooting left handed with everything and seems to be doing well that way.

But it makes for a great batter.

Fred Bear cut off the tip of a finger on his right hand, which is why he shot a bow left handed. I assume he was still right eyed when he shot lefty. He could get'r done too.