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I've seen bullets "designed to kill animals" do considerably worse than what we are looking at here on this thread.
Not sure where the "gibberish" is either, as all I'm seeing is a good collection of dead critters.... He's got a much nicer collection of heads than I do, that's for sure. Looks like most shot with the 155 grain/.308, maybe that has a tougher jacket, it doesn't look like it in one of the photos. Also noticed that he did not recommend a couple certain weight grains, why I don't know. I don't proclaim to be an expert, I just don't understand why anyone would use a target designed bullet over a hunting designed bullet when there are so many good ones out there. I certainly never intended to disrespect Pat
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I've seen bullets "designed to kill animals" do considerably worse than what we are looking at here on this thread.
Not sure where the "gibberish" is either, as all I'm seeing is a good collection of dead critters.... He's got a much nicer collection of heads than I do, that's for sure. Looks like most shot with the 155 grain/.308, maybe that has a tougher jacket, it doesn't look like it in one of the photos. Also noticed that he did not recommend a couple certain weight grains, why I don't know. I don't proclaim to be an expert, I just don't understand why anyone would use a target designed bullet over a hunting designed bullet when there are so many good ones out there. I certainly never intended to disrespect Pat Some things are just beyond our understanding... I don't understand everything I know, either... I just go with what seems to work. DF
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I've got a bunch loaded up with R17 for my 300 wsm... Just gotta test them. If they shoot well, they will be getting the go ahead for coues deer and possibly blak bear.
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Four mule deer and a mountain goat were taken with five 139 Scenar's from my 6.5x47 last year.
I'll be using the same this year...
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Four mule deer and a mountain goat were taken with five 139 Scenar's from my 6.5x47 last year.
I'll be using the same this year... Though not as 'cool' of critters, my 260 will hopefully send 3 139gr Scenars into Pronghorns next month. Finally got it fixed and shooting well enough...
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Carl,
Tell me more about the 139's. I have 2 sticks that love em. I was going to go with the 140 amax however you may have just changed that.
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Not Carl, but from what I've gathered from Pat and others, the 139 gr. Scenar will hold together better than a 140 gr. VLD which seems to hold together better than the 140 gr. A-Max.
So, seems to me the choice would be based on velocity, accuracy of the individual bullet and the animal being hunted. From my experience, all three are pretty accurate.
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I would agree. the 139 is without question my 6.5-06's most favorite. Wapiti is on the list this fall. My confidence is with the 139 just wanting another push for it.
I know what his Goat results looked like. Curious on the bigger bodies Mulies though.
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Look at Pat's pile of trophies... DF
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Speaking of the apparant thin jacket on the Scenar and the way it's made, some are questioning the how and why of how it does what it does. I saw the thin jacket and the air pocket at the nose.
Lapua obviously knows how to make bullets that work and are super precise. I don't know how they do it, I'm not a bullet mfg. engineer. Maybe the jackets are bonded, maybe the lead core is a harder alloy. I don't know how they work, just that they do.
I take the evidence (consistent performance on lots of game) at face value and will use these bullets.
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Partner and I shot a buck and a doe each. The bucks were definitely on the big bodied side. Impact velocity was between 2650 and 2200. No drama associated with any of it, stuff died quickly. I don't recall exact exit sizes, but I know they weren't huge. It was elkhuntingguide's considerable experiences that led me to proceed with confidence.
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Thanks Carl. Yep I read his stuff as well. I feel more better now. I knew in the back of my cranial cavity the 139's were GTG. Just needed 'nuther push. Venison and 139's are hand and hand. Wapiti hide and bone matter is where I'm at right now.
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I'll be sending 155's out of my .308 this fall. Dont have any on game results with them, but they shoot better than any other bullet in my rifle.
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Four mule deer and a mountain goat were taken with five 139 Scenar's from my 6.5x47 last year.
I'll be using the same this year... Though not as 'cool' of critters, my 260 will hopefully send 3 139gr Scenars into Pronghorns next month. Finally got it fixed and shooting well enough... Pointer, My 260 will hopefully send the 130 VLD through 2 WY pronghorns in October. Where u heading?
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Epic thread.
Thanks for sharing Pat.
The issue is never the issue. The issue is always the revolution.
David Horowitz, Saul Alinsky and every woman I've ever argued with.
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Four mule deer and a mountain goat were taken with five 139 Scenar's from my 6.5x47 last year.
I'll be using the same this year... Though not as 'cool' of critters, my 260 will hopefully send 3 139gr Scenars into Pronghorns next month. Finally got it fixed and shooting well enough... Pointer, My 260 will hopefully send the 130 VLD through 2 WY pronghorns in October. Where u heading? A bit west of Laramie. Both my neighbor and I have a buck and two doe tags. Hoping to head back this way with loaded coolers... Good luck on your trip! You plan on taking it to KY this year as well??
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Good luck to you as well. Yep, going to KY also. Might try the 123 Scenar.
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I'd think that would be perfecto on whitetails. Keep me posted if you have an 'test subjects' cooperate.
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I'm looking forward to testing out the 136 scenars out of my soon to be built 6.5x47L hunting rifle this season.
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