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since the word "supernatural" was brought into play on this thread, I thought i'd just interject a Story that I had heard.
I wasn't there, nor was the person who recounted the event to me. but, he had heard it directly from people who were close to the actual people present at the event.
he elucidated the event so fully, and confidently, that I just knew he was serious about it. he believed it actually happened. in fact, he was certain of it as he could be. it seems it was related to the dead man's family that just couldn't bear to see him pass. so they procured a Faith Healer who set about to resurrect him. he kept praying and healing until the dead man came back to life. now, that's all I know, but I was sure told that Story by someone who believed fervently that it did happen. I think you need to get some sleep, this story sounds just like your last one.
You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it.
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Studying science was one of the defining moments of my becoming a Deist. Mine was when I sat down and actually read the Bible. I've read the Bible from cover to cover a few times. I've even read the Book of Mormon just for the heck of it. I've been educated to some degree in Catholic schools of the old Tridentine Latin Rite. All that did was turn me atheist. Science turned me back to the "First Cause", the "Creator", Deity, "The Supreme Ultimate", etc. and I became a Deist.
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Studying science was one of the defining moments of my becoming a Deist. Mine was when I sat down and actually read the Bible. That did it for me as well.
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What I find most interesting here is the "God didn't" views.
Saying that assumes you know more than God.
Your original quote implied a thinking God. As you saying your version of God does not include sentience or thought? Again, the conclusion that God is defined using constraints we must apply due to the limitations of our own ability to perceive. Good thing we have sparks or we wouldn't believe in electricity - yes I am saying that you declare proof of something - but if it is beyond your ability to perceive, well you are screwed. You can't feel electrify in a battery but you can test for it. Try it? I can operate a volt meter....what's your point? You made my point for me - You can't build a God "meter" because you don't know what you are looking for (not you personally). We only knew to build volt meters because we knew what we were looking for.
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But most of have a built in BS meter. Just read the Bible, and see how long it is before yours starts going off.
You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it.
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