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True enough, but he keeps coming back.
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Some people Live and work in the real world and there are others that wear Rose coloured Glasses !Enjoy.
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True enough, but he keeps coming back. Just like a bad case of the clap, but not quite as useful
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Is a Hog Tuffer to kill Then A Deer? Or is a deer Tuffer To Kill? Your Thoughts.
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Steve, that was wonderful. Thank You
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I'm glad that everyone liked it. Thanks!
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You can shoot a hog but not bcd. I don't care about legality, which one is dumber???
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There was a good article in one of my gun magazines, I think it was Guns and Ammo, they mentioned that hogs are different than deer in that hydro static shock is more effective on a pig. Using a large bore rifle like a 45-70 has trouble taking them out, and a .223 with a heavy bullet will drop them.
Deer have a better public relations image too. Wild hogs are looked down upon, not nearly as aesthetically appealing as a white tail, and you see lots of paintings of deer on office walls, but never a wild pig. A .22 rim fire will work on just about anything if you use good shot placement. Grizzly bears have been killed with .22's. Personally I would prefer a .375 H & H rifle on a griz.
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All Im Asking> and you people just twist in the Wind!>Is a Hog Harder to Kill then a Deer with a 22 mag?> and no one will say SQUAT!>Very intro!He >had the first big Balls to just scrap the thought!
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Indians can shoot moose in northern Canada with 22Longs > Take that to the Bank!
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How many moose are lost this way. the gov does not care> but is done to this day!Enjoy.
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Is a Hog Harder to Kill then a Deer with a 22 mag? No. I urge you to take this to www.accuratereloading.com for verification. Take your time if you want, they are your kind of people.
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DD, you are a murderous SOB with that .22
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The pig nation has a price on my head probably. That gun is chambered only for shorts and it is fed a steady diet of CCI CB shorts. Somewhere around 90 porkers in the last 5-6 years, had to shoot one twice. Chitt happens.
Anything in the RF world that is manufactured today, when used on larger game, FPE and such gak is meaningless and placement is everything. If you can exercise the patience to wait for the proper presentation of aspect by your quarry AND you have the discipline to pass on less than a proper set up, it matters little what cartridge is used. Stick the CNS and stuff dies. Pretty simple stuff. Holmes would call it "elementary".
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The pig nation has a price on my head probably. That gun is chambered only for shorts and it is fed a steady diet of CCI CB shorts. Somewhere around 90 porkers in the last 5-6 years, had to shoot one twice. Chitt happens.
Anything in the RF world that is manufactured today, when used on larger game, FPE and such gak is meaningless and placement is everything. If you can exercise the patience to wait for the proper presentation of aspect by your quarry AND you have the discipline to pass on less than a proper set up, it matters little what cartridge is used. Stick the CNS and stuff dies. Pretty simple stuff. Holmes would call it "elementary". Where is your preferred kill spot? I intend to try for a hog this season in our local management area but I will need to use a 22 RF to be legal because I will be legally hunting squirrels. My rifles are very accurate and scoped well. I can't tell if your shots were just behind the ear or possibly the ear hole itself. I will be on the ground so the elevated between the eyes shot won't be likely to present itself, unless I catch some bedding under a rock bluff and I can get above.
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The pig nation has a price on my head probably. That gun is chambered only for shorts and it is fed a steady diet of CCI CB shorts. Somewhere around 90 porkers in the last 5-6 years, had to shoot one twice. Chitt happens.
Anything in the RF world that is manufactured today, when used on larger game, FPE and such gak is meaningless and placement is everything. If you can exercise the patience to wait for the proper presentation of aspect by your quarry AND you have the discipline to pass on less than a proper set up, it matters little what cartridge is used. Stick the CNS and stuff dies. Pretty simple stuff. Holmes would call it "elementary". no hog yet, and I use subsonic .22 LR's, but I've done more work with a .22 and headshots than anything else. don't need expanding bullets, "high velocity" .22's or anything either, I just make sure that the gun is "point and shoot" dead on accurate to 50 yds, which usually means CCI subsonics or Wolf MT, depending on the rifle. then its just a matter of doing my part. the hogs are after you, but the squirrels are coming for me ...
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Head on I shoot the brain, slightly above the eyes. From the side I aim for the cervical vertebrae behind the jaw. I have not killed any hogs above 125# with the neck shot but several up to around 250# folded with the frontal brain shot. I shoot from the ground exclusively, but in the past used tree stands and busted a couple hogs that way as well. Shoot to where you want the bullet to be, not the hide that covers it. The graphic above is reasonably accurate.
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I add two points: hogs have 2 layers of skull on the sides and that around the ears has wide spacing. I don't consider it a reliable target for shorts due my memory of the large bore that looked up after such a shot with a quizzical expression. He folded with a second to the forehead.
Secondly, I have found the CBs to be better penetrators than high v ammo since they do not expand. HP and SV LR ammo kills but it often does not exit.
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So do you think I would have better luck with head shots using 40 grn SV target ammo or 40 grn CCI Velocitors? I would have thought the Velocitors before your comment about SV ammo.
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I would go with the SV as they have proven reliable for me to date. If you're in a stand you only need to wait for them to raise their snout while looking past your stand and the aspect of their forehead will be good. From the ground I wait for them to look down so as to give me the closet angle to perpendicular for bullet strike. It doesn't have to be perfect, just sort of close. Just my gut talking but somewhere within 30* of perp will work. 10/22 and CCI SV: I have recovered about 50% of the SV bullets from pigs shot with them and they have all penetrated bone and are significantly deformed. They seldom track in a true straight line though they do not deviate a great deal. They are usually found under the offside hide. I have recovered 100% of HVHP bullets, usually the HP section is gone to fragments after a bone strike. By virtue of my intent they all hit bone. The only CB short bullets I've recovered and that accounts for over 80% of the pigs shot, none have been recovered from a neck shot as they completely pass thru. All are recovered from frontal brain shots, in the neck, usually close to the shoulder or chest. They pass thru the skull and brain without exception. It is my opinion that HP bullets or those with high velocity are not only unnecessary, their terminal performance is counterproductive. All you have with the .22 is a small diameter hole. The longer that hole is, the more damage it will do. I'm not claiming the HV stuff won't work, but they aren't as predictable as SV or LV ammo.
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Concerning the difference between man and the jackass: some observers hold that there isn't any. But this wrongs the jackass. -Twain
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