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It seems like in the movies it is all about suppressive fire.
Does marksman ship play a role in a life or death situation?
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All i can say is a direct hit or any hit as far as that goes, is better than your best miss


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The key is to deliver as much accuracy AS YOU NEED as fast as you can. Not every shooting requires precision accuracy.

Two shots under a quarter in 2 seconds loses to two shots under a sheet of paper in 1.5 seconds.


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I'll see your two fast pistol shots and raise you a single well-aimed rifle shot at distance. ;-)


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Cheater.


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I believe that William Butler Hickok advised "take your time aiming, fast". Since he was the original 19th Century Shootist, I'd heed that advice. Taking careful aim makes you lethal.

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This is the standard:



Out of nine shots, if you miss the first body shot (7yd) in each round you should get your eyes checked, and maybe sell your pistol.

If you center punch the body and knock over the head plate without fail, you are a decent pistol shot.

If you hit the plate and seldom miss the 12yd head plate you are a GOOD pistol shot, with both hands at least. Some days I am, some days I ain't.

The drill begins with sights aligned at the base of TGT 1. You have a three-quarters of a second from the time the head plate rises to fire the first two shots. That ain't very long.

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Any accurate shot is better than shooting holes in the sky.

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A first accurate shot may negate the 'hailstorm' thereby giving your position away.

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I vote hailstorm of accuracy.



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Suppressive fire has it's place. If it saves a life. Especially your own!

Killing someone isn't kill like killing a deer. I'd only do if necessary. If your unharmed and the perp escapes then it's a police responsibility to arrest them. And your not going before a Coroners Grand Jury to explain your actions. Or dealing with being sued by the perps family.

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Originally Posted by northern_dave
I vote hailstorm of accuracy.



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I was gonna go shoot a match this weekend. I may just watch YouTube instead.


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Originally Posted by idahoguy101
Suppressive fire has it's place. If it saves a life. Especially your own!


Suppressive fire is a waste of ammunition. That is, unless it is belt-fed, bipod supported, with a guncrew humping PLENTY of ammo.

I disabused some SOF types of this wive's tail on the range a couple of years ago. They wanted to do the classic "Aussie Peelback" that all of us KNEW was the best way to break contact, back in the day.

No problem, we had frangible ammo so we had them start the drill at 25yd with freshly painted steel torsos on the line. They started the drill and the 12 of 'em fired close to a thousand rounds through their M4's peeling back to 100yd. Not ONE HIT on any piece of stationary steel. Not one.

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Originally Posted by Bluedreaux
I was gonna go shoot a match this weekend. I may just watch YouTube instead.


You should go practice instead of driving 200mi to shoot 75rd.

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There's strike one. Care to guess twice more?


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Originally Posted by idahoguy101
Suppressive fire has it's place. If it saves a life. Especially your own!


Suppressive fire is a waste of ammunition. That is, unless it is belt-fed, bipod supported, with a guncrew humping PLENTY of ammo.

I disabused some SOF types of this wive's tail on the range a couple of years ago. They wanted to do the classic "Aussie Peelback" that all of us KNEW was the best way to break contact, back in the day.

No problem, we had frangible ammo so we had them start the drill at 25yd with freshly painted steel torsos on the line. They started the drill and the 12 of 'em fired close to a thousand rounds through their M4's peeling back to 100yd. Not ONE HIT on any piece of stationary steel. Not one.


I suspect you didn't really understand my points.

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While I agree a hit is far better than a miss, I don't totally discount the idea of suppressive fire either, although I wouldn't recommend emptying the magazine with it, either.

It may disrupt the threat enough to allow you to get to cover safely or otherwise keep you safe momentarily.

Granted, given a one-on-one situation a detemintative first shot is better.


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Considering you are ultimately responsible for the shots you fire.......

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Originally Posted by Bluedreaux
There's strike one. Care to guess twice more?


No, GFY

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