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For those who have Echols Legend Stocks... #8557986 02/07/14 Joined: May 2008 Posts: 1,145 Jacksonville, FL richardca99 OP Campfire Regular OP richardca99 Campfire Regular Joined: May 2008 Posts: 1,145 Jacksonville, FL Who did you have finish, bed, and paint the stock? They only come unfinished, and D'Arcy referred me to a guy who wanted $2,700! They don't have bolt notches cut either. Chris

Re: For those who have Echols Legend Stocks... richardca99 #8557998 02/07/14 Joined: Aug 2004 Posts: 7,578 U utah708 Campfire Outfitter utah708 Campfire Outfitter U Joined: Aug 2004 Posts: 7,578 I do them myself. But a good bedding job is probably $150, putting on the pad is about $60, installing sling swivel studs is $50, paint is about $150. I don't know what someone would charge to cut the ejection port and bolt notch. You might call McMillan, and see what they charge.

Re: For those who have Echols Legend Stocks... utah708 #8558074 02/07/14 Joined: May 2008 Posts: 1,145 Jacksonville, FL richardca99 OP Campfire Regular OP richardca99 Campfire Regular Joined: May 2008 Posts: 1,145 Jacksonville, FL Originally Posted by utah708 I do them myself. But a good bedding job is probably $150, putting on the pad is about $60, installing sling swivel studs is $50, paint is about $150. I don't know what someone would charge to cut the ejection port and bolt notch. You might call McMillan, and see what they charge. It's all pretty easy except for cutting the bolt notch. I'll tell you this though...it ain't a $2,700 job on any planet. Chris

Re: For those who have Echols Legend Stocks... utah708 #8558088 02/07/14 Joined: Jan 2006 Posts: 18,453 Bernardsville, NJ RDFinn Campfire Ranger RDFinn Campfire Ranger Joined: Jan 2006 Posts: 18,453 Bernardsville, NJ $2700 sounds like a great deal..

Re: For those who have Echols Legend Stocks... RDFinn #8558151 02/07/14 Joined: Aug 2002 Posts: 11,654 TX & WV Karnis Campfire Outfitter Karnis Campfire Outfitter Joined: Aug 2002 Posts: 11,654 TX & WV Originally Posted by RDFinn $2700 sounds like a great deal.. +1

Re: For those who have Echols Legend Stocks... richardca99 #8558195 02/07/14 Joined: Aug 2004 Posts: 7,578 U utah708 Campfire Outfitter utah708 Campfire Outfitter U Joined: Aug 2004 Posts: 7,578 Originally Posted by richardca99 It's all pretty easy except for cutting the bolt notch. I'll tell you this though...it ain't a $2,700 job on any planet. The bolt notch is no trick. Inletting black, a dremel, and patience.

Re: For those who have Echols Legend Stocks... utah708 #8558907 02/07/14 Joined: Nov 2009 Posts: 173 South East D Displaced_Texan Campfire Member Displaced_Texan Campfire Member D Joined: Nov 2009 Posts: 173 South East I did mine my self. Bedded Brownells Steel Bed Installed Recoil pad & sling swivels cut loading port & bolt and notch. Sent stock to McMillan to be painted

Re: For those who have Echols Legend Stocks... Displaced_Texan #8559013 02/07/14 Joined: Mar 2001 Posts: 4,584 East Kootenays, BC RickF Campfire Tracker RickF Campfire Tracker Joined: Mar 2001 Posts: 4,584 East Kootenays, BC McMillan will finish it for not a lot of money, as I recall about $100. Anybody who seriously concerns themselves with the adequacy of a Big 7mm for anything we hunt here short of brown bear, is a dufus. They are mostly making shidt up. Crunch! Nite-nite! Stolen from an erudite CF member.

Re: For those who have Echols Legend Stocks... Karnis #8559408 02/08/14 Joined: Nov 2002 Posts: 33,690 Either Texas or Idaho E EdM Campfire 'Bwana EdM Campfire 'Bwana E Joined: Nov 2002 Posts: 33,690 Either Texas or Idaho Originally Posted by Karnis Originally Posted by RDFinn $2700 sounds like a great deal.. +1 Yeppers. Throw in the cost of the stock and you are only at 21% of the price of a Legend. Conduct is the best proof of character.

Re: For those who have Echols Legend Stocks... EdM #8559465 02/08/14 Joined: Sep 2005 Posts: 6,377 N.E. Mn./ Mt H handwerk Campfire Tracker handwerk Campfire Tracker H Joined: Sep 2005 Posts: 6,377 N.E. Mn./ Mt I also did it myself. If you're half way handy it's not too bad, just takes some time. The bolt notch wasn't that hard, the pillars took a bit of time, but it's all well worth it...it's a great stock.

Re: For those who have Echols Legend Stocks... handwerk #8559469 02/08/14 Joined: Sep 2005 Posts: 6,377 N.E. Mn./ Mt H handwerk Campfire Tracker handwerk Campfire Tracker H Joined: Sep 2005 Posts: 6,377 N.E. Mn./ Mt Oh, and mcm will paint it for a little under $100. Thats where mine is after taking a beating the last 4 years.

Re: For those who have Echols Legend Stocks... handwerk #8559714 02/08/14 Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 7,446 GREENSBURG, PA 300MAG Campfire Tracker 300MAG Campfire Tracker Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 7,446 GREENSBURG, PA Who was the guy that quoted you $2700??

Re: For those who have Echols Legend Stocks... 300MAG #8560759 02/08/14 Joined: Aug 2004 Posts: 7,578 U utah708 Campfire Outfitter utah708 Campfire Outfitter U Joined: Aug 2004 Posts: 7,578 I will do it for an even $2k.

Re: For those who have Echols Legend Stocks... utah708 #8561123 02/08/14 Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 4,065 West Mitten TDN Campfire Tracker TDN Campfire Tracker Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 4,065 West Mitten I am doing one right now mostly on my own but sending to McMillan for the swivel studs (not something I want to mess up on the EDGE fill) and out to the smith for pillars. But, I am feeling optimistic about my paint and port cutting quality, so... I'll bid your job for a cool $1,500 "You know why nobody panic buys 30-06 ammo? ... Because men with 30-06's don't panic"

Re: For those who have Echols Legend Stocks... TDN #8562503 02/08/14 Joined: May 2008 Posts: 1,145 Jacksonville, FL richardca99 OP Campfire Regular OP richardca99 Campfire Regular Joined: May 2008 Posts: 1,145 Jacksonville, FL I can certainly do the bedding, but I'm not willing to tackle LOP or the bolt notch on an expensive stock like that. I'll see if McMillan will do it; D'Arcy said that they don't offer that service anymore. He referred me to Mark Penrod and Gene Simillion...that's when I knew I was in trouble. Simillion wanted $2,750 to finish the stock, and that's AFTER you're in $480 for the stock itself. I'll settle for a plain McMillan long before I pay anywhere close to that. That Legend stock does feel nice though... Last edited by richardca99; 02/08/14. Chris

Re: For those who have Echols Legend Stocks... richardca99 #8562544 02/08/14 Joined: Jun 2004 Posts: 7,171 G greydog Campfire Tracker greydog Campfire Tracker G Joined: Jun 2004 Posts: 7,171 To me they are like any glass stock; they're a handle. Nonetheless, if someone sees fitting and finishing one as being woth 2700 dollars, that's what it's worth; to them. GD

Re: For those who have Echols Legend Stocks... richardca99 #8562561 02/08/14 Joined: Mar 2006 Posts: 2,194 SE Texas W waterbug Campfire Regular waterbug Campfire Regular W Joined: Mar 2006 Posts: 2,194 SE Texas Chris, Some other places you might check are Chad Dixon at Long Rifles Inc and Alex Sitman at Master Class. NRA Member

Re: For those who have Echols Legend Stocks... richardca99 #8562616 02/08/14 Joined: Jan 2006 Posts: 18,453 Bernardsville, NJ RDFinn Campfire Ranger RDFinn Campfire Ranger Joined: Jan 2006 Posts: 18,453 Bernardsville, NJ You could mail that to Holland & Holland in London for less than $2750.

Re: For those who have Echols Legend Stocks... RDFinn #8562868 02/09/14 Joined: Oct 2011 Posts: 4,070 Alabama C ctsmith Campfire Tracker ctsmith Campfire Tracker C Joined: Oct 2011 Posts: 4,070 Alabama Alex at Master Class would be my first call.

Re: For those who have Echols Legend Stocks... ctsmith #8562881 02/09/14 Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 7,446 GREENSBURG, PA 300MAG Campfire Tracker 300MAG Campfire Tracker Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 7,446 GREENSBURG, PA Sounds to me Simillion is a little full of himself!! $2750 - F that!!

Re: For those who have Echols Legend Stocks... 300MAG #8567250 02/10/14 Joined: Sep 2005 Posts: 7,132 NW La. R Reloader7RM Campfire Tracker Reloader7RM Campfire Tracker R Joined: Sep 2005 Posts: 7,132 NW La. I'd check with Chad Dixon.

Re: For those who have Echols Legend Stocks... richardca99 #8567284 02/10/14 Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 57,474 Alaska R rost495 Campfire Kahuna rost495 Campfire Kahuna R Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 57,474 Alaska Originally Posted by richardca99 I can certainly do the bedding, but I'm not willing to tackle LOP or the bolt notch on an expensive stock like that. I'll see if McMillan will do it; D'Arcy said that they don't offer that service anymore. He referred me to Mark Penrod and Gene Simillion...that's when I knew I was in trouble. Simillion wanted $2,750 to finish the stock, and that's AFTER you're in $480 for the stock itself. I'll settle for a plain McMillan long before I pay anywhere close to that. That Legend stock does feel nice though... That just means simillion doesn't want the work. We can keep Larry Root and all his idiotic blabber and user names on here, but we can't get Ralph back..... Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, over....

Re: For those who have Echols Legend Stocks... rost495 #8569185 02/10/14 Joined: May 2008 Posts: 1,145 Jacksonville, FL richardca99 OP Campfire Regular OP richardca99 Campfire Regular Joined: May 2008 Posts: 1,145 Jacksonville, FL From what I saw at the SCI show, I'm not surprised. I came away realizing that there are a lot more gunsmiths cranking out $15-20,000 rifles than I thought. Some beautiful stuff, but you're paying a LOT for aesthetics and gorgeous wood. Only D'Arcy appears to have figured out how to charge $15k for a synthetic stocked rifle. Chris

Re: For those who have Echols Legend Stocks... richardca99 #8569221 02/10/14 Joined: Jan 2006 Posts: 18,453 Bernardsville, NJ RDFinn Campfire Ranger RDFinn Campfire Ranger Joined: Jan 2006 Posts: 18,453 Bernardsville, NJ Never underestimate hunters with deep pockets. It is alot cheaper than collecting cars though.

Re: For those who have Echols Legend Stocks... RDFinn #8569656 02/11/14 Joined: Sep 2008 Posts: 4,493 virginia G gene270 Campfire Tracker gene270 Campfire Tracker G Joined: Sep 2008 Posts: 4,493 virginia another plug for Alex Sitman masterclassstocks.com

Re: For those who have Echols Legend Stocks... gene270 #8573046 02/12/14 Joined: Sep 2008 Posts: 1,637 R RyanScott Campfire Regular RyanScott Campfire Regular R Joined: Sep 2008 Posts: 1,637 Ben at Score High in ABQ will be doing mine. Last edited by RyanScott; 02/12/14.

Re: For those who have Echols Legend Stocks... RyanScott #8590074 02/16/14 Joined: Sep 2011 Posts: 521 1 10generation Campfire Regular 10generation Campfire Regular 1 Joined: Sep 2011 Posts: 521 Gene Simillion is a great guy. My son and I have visited with him at the last two SCI shows and, even though we were not buyers for his rifles, he was generous with his time and could not have been nicer to my son. Way outside the price range of most folks, but I think people are entitled to whatever premium the market will pay based on the quality of their work and the reputation they have built.

Re: For those who have Echols Legend Stocks... 10generation #8590991 02/17/14 Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 35,900 B BobinNH Campfire 'Bwana BobinNH Campfire 'Bwana B Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 35,900 Originally Posted by 10generation Gene Simillion is a great guy. He is indeed....and a very skilled custom smith as well. IME you can simply turn something over to him and not worry.It will be as good as it gets. Gene also "shoots" his work before it leaves the shop,to be certain it works to his standards, which are pretty high. The 280 Remington is overbore. The 7 Rem Mag is over bore.

Re: For those who have Echols Legend Stocks... RDFinn #8591724 02/17/14 Joined: Mar 2004 Posts: 7,126 Texas S StrayDog Campfire Tracker StrayDog Campfire Tracker S Joined: Mar 2004 Posts: 7,126 Texas Originally Posted by RDFinn $2700 sounds like a great deal.. Yes, I would just force my body to get familiar with the feel of a supergrade stock before I could part with that much cash.

Re: For those who have Echols Legend Stocks... 10generation #8592195 02/17/14 Joined: Jan 2006 Posts: 18,453 Bernardsville, NJ RDFinn Campfire Ranger RDFinn Campfire Ranger Joined: Jan 2006 Posts: 18,453 Bernardsville, NJ Originally Posted by 10generation Gene Simillion is a great guy. My son and I have visited with him at the last two SCI shows and, even though we were not buyers for his rifles, he was generous with his time and could not have been nicer to my son. Way outside the price range of most folks, but I think people are entitled to whatever premium the market will pay based on the quality of their work and the reputation they have built. I don't doubt that Gene is a great guy, great gunsmith, great cook and maybe even the worlds best Dad. Yes, he is entirely within his rights to charge whatever he wants. When you see a price of $2700+ dollars to paint, pillar bed and some relatively minor fitting, that is clearly a " get lost " price, but if you're silly enough to pay that, go ahead and sent it to me .

Re: For those who have Echols Legend Stocks... RDFinn #9028313 07/16/14 Joined: May 2008 Posts: 1,145 Jacksonville, FL richardca99 OP Campfire Regular OP richardca99 Campfire Regular Joined: May 2008 Posts: 1,145 Jacksonville, FL Here's the finished Echols stock and rifle. I wound up using Alex Sitman at Master Class Stocks. To review, the rifle is a M70 Stainless Classic in .375 H&H. Barrel shortened to 20" with factory sights, Talley rings, and a VX3 1.75-6x32 scope. I could not be happier with Alex Sitman's work. He's a true pro, and the fit and finish is exactly what I was seeking. McMillan did the painting after Alex was done. The next post will include photos of the bedding and inletting work. [img]http://i1276.photobucket.com/albums/y466/richardca99/IMG_4134_zpsff41cd9f.jpg[/img] [img]http://i1276.photobucket.com/albums/y466/richardca99/IMG_4133_zpscd384b43.jpg[/img] Last edited by richardca99; 07/16/14. Chris

Re: For those who have Echols Legend Stocks... richardca99 #9028323 07/16/14 Joined: May 2008 Posts: 1,145 Jacksonville, FL richardca99 OP Campfire Regular OP richardca99 Campfire Regular Joined: May 2008 Posts: 1,145 Jacksonville, FL You can see the care that Alex took to finish the Echols Legend. The barrel channel and receiver inletting were epoxied over with Devcon for weatherproofing and for rigidity prior to painting by McMillan. The receiver inletting is bedded full length. The pillars were expertly done on top and bottom. He installed the Pachmayr Decelerator pad and studs, taking care to anchor the studs into machined aluminum blocks fore and aft. All in all, a very professional job in a bombproof setup--exactly what I asked for. I'll use him again. [img]http://i1276.photobucket.com/albums/y466/richardca99/IMG_1038_zps1baf77db.jpg[/img] [img]http://i1276.photobucket.com/albums/y466/richardca99/IMG_1037_zpse94aa741.jpg[/img] [img]http://i1276.photobucket.com/albums/y466/richardca99/IMG_1036_zpsd2aee3f7.jpg[/img] Last edited by richardca99; 07/16/14. Chris

Re: For those who have Echols Legend Stocks... richardca99 #9028677 07/16/14 Joined: Aug 2013 Posts: 1,796 I InternetGuru Campfire Regular InternetGuru Campfire Regular I Joined: Aug 2013 Posts: 1,796 tag for 2015 when I'll need this info

Re: For those who have Echols Legend Stocks... InternetGuru #9028966 07/17/14 Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 15,300 Northeast USA B beretzs Campfire Ranger beretzs Campfire Ranger B Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 15,300 Northeast USA That's a beautiful 375. I have a 35 Newton on a M70 Classic that I believe a Legend would work very nicely on. Great looking rifle. Semper Fi

Re: For those who have Echols Legend Stocks... beretzs #9029829 07/17/14 Joined: May 2008 Posts: 1,145 Jacksonville, FL richardca99 OP Campfire Regular OP richardca99 Campfire Regular Joined: May 2008 Posts: 1,145 Jacksonville, FL Thanks...I'm very happy with it. Hopefully it'll make a trip to Kodiak within the next few years. Chris

Re: For those who have Echols Legend Stocks... 300MAG #9029832 07/17/14 Joined: May 2006 Posts: 4,058 2 22WRF Campfire Tracker 22WRF Campfire Tracker 2 Joined: May 2006 Posts: 4,058 Its always fun to see a guy who is happy after his custom rifle building experience. Did you have any of the Legend type metalwork done to the rifle, like repining the trigger, and redoing the safety. I see that you chose to keep the original bottom metal. Nevertheless, Congratulations on a very nice custom rifle.

Re: For those who have Echols Legend Stocks... richardca99 #9030879 07/17/14 Joined: Jul 2007 Posts: 24,638 Midwest SKane Campfire Ranger SKane Campfire Ranger Joined: Jul 2007 Posts: 24,638 Midwest Chris, That's a fantastic rifle. Congrats. WWP53D

Re: For those who have Echols Legend Stocks... 22WRF #9030970 07/17/14 Joined: May 2008 Posts: 1,145 Jacksonville, FL richardca99 OP Campfire Regular OP richardca99 Campfire Regular Joined: May 2008 Posts: 1,145 Jacksonville, FL Originally Posted by 22WRF Its always fun to see a guy who is happy after his custom rifle building experience. Did you have any of the Legend type metalwork done to the rifle, like repining the trigger, and redoing the safety. I see that you chose to keep the original bottom metal. Nevertheless, Congratulations on a very nice custom rifle. No, sorry if I was unclear...it's factory aside from the shortened barrel and Legend stock. Chris

Re: For those who have Echols Legend Stocks... richardca99 #9032662 07/18/14 Joined: Mar 2006 Posts: 20,888 Deer Park, Tx R Reloder28 Campfire Ranger Reloder28 Campfire Ranger R Joined: Mar 2006 Posts: 20,888 Deer Park, Tx I took delivery of the new Shrike stock for assessment. I told him I despised cheek welds. He said he'd bet me a "big roll of dimes" I'd like it once held. I gave it an overall assessment & still didn't like it. He gave me the same $2700 prospect. I sent the stock back. "I never thought I'd live to see the day that a U.S. president would raise an army to invade his own country." Robert E. Lee

Re: For those who have Echols Legend Stocks... Reloder28 #9032698 07/18/14 Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 15,300 Northeast USA B beretzs Campfire Ranger beretzs Campfire Ranger B Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 15,300 Northeast USA Originally Posted by Reloder28 I took delivery of the new Shrike stock for assessment. I told him I despised cheek welds. He said he'd bet me a "big roll of dimes" I'd like it once held. I gave it an overall assessment & still didn't like it. He gave me the same $2700 prospect. I sent the stock back. I don't understand, my shooting depends on proper cheek weld (stock weld). Do you not use optics? Maybe I'm missing something? Semper Fi

Re: For those who have Echols Legend Stocks... beretzs #9035777 07/19/14 Joined: Mar 2006 Posts: 20,888 Deer Park, Tx R Reloder28 Campfire Ranger Reloder28 Campfire Ranger R Joined: Mar 2006 Posts: 20,888 Deer Park, Tx Some people prefer cheek pieces. I don't. I rarely have my cheek hard down on the stock when I shoot. I use Swarovski Optiks on all my hunting rifles. "I never thought I'd live to see the day that a U.S. president would raise an army to invade his own country." Robert E. Lee

Re: For those who have Echols Legend Stocks... richardca99 #9036751 07/20/14 Joined: Jan 2009 Posts: 11,521 Edge of the map Kenneth Campfire Outfitter Kenneth Campfire Outfitter Joined: Jan 2009 Posts: 11,521 Edge of the map Richard99, Take 5 minutes, and a 4' piece of freezer paper, and make that popular template showing the dimensions and ergos of that legend stock. Please?

Re: For those who have Echols Legend Stocks... Kenneth #9037454 07/20/14 Joined: May 2008 Posts: 1,145 Jacksonville, FL richardca99 OP Campfire Regular OP richardca99 Campfire Regular Joined: May 2008 Posts: 1,145 Jacksonville, FL Ok, happy to. But I'm traveling, so it'll be two weeks before I can get back to it. Check back. Chris

Re: For those who have Echols Legend Stocks... Kenneth #9037472 07/20/14 Joined: Apr 2007 Posts: 10 I imh72 New Member imh72 New Member I Joined: Apr 2007 Posts: 10 The Legend template can be seen here.

Re: For those who have Echols Legend Stocks... handwerk #9038505 07/20/14 Joined: Jan 2012 Posts: 6,780 SE Neb R rainierrifleco Campfire Tracker rainierrifleco Campfire Tracker R Joined: Jan 2012 Posts: 6,780 SE Neb 2700 for a bolt notch I'm not charging near enough..

Re: For those who have Echols Legend Stocks... rainierrifleco #9038573 07/20/14 Joined: Jan 2009 Posts: 11,521 Edge of the map Kenneth Campfire Outfitter Kenneth Campfire Outfitter Joined: Jan 2009 Posts: 11,521 Edge of the map The bolt notch is free,,,,, the paint is 2700.

Re: For those who have Echols Legend Stocks... Kenneth #9046644 07/23/14 Joined: May 2006 Posts: 4,058 2 22WRF Campfire Tracker 22WRF Campfire Tracker 2 Joined: May 2006 Posts: 4,058 I would think that Redneck, who works on a lot of Model 70s, would also be a guy who installed Legend Stocks.