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S&B makes Hornady brass for 9.3 X 62. That's from the manager of one of Canada's largest gun shops. The reason he knows is because before ANYTHING can be imported into Canada, the exported must declare who made it and where it was made. He told me when I purchased Hornady 9.3 X 62 brass that it was made by S&B. I've used only that brand for the past three years. Edit to add: for those who may not know who S&B are, it's a Czech company dating to the 19th Century. S&B stands for Sellier & Bellot. They make munitions and guns in addition to components and other products. Bob www.bigbores.ca
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Newbie here. Was looking for info on who makes Hornady brass. Reason for wondering: At least some of the current cartridge cases that they use appear to be of European origin. In my own experience, .308 Win. There are details that give their origin away. Headstamp font slightly different. Extractor cut on rim different. Primer pocket very tight. So, it makes some sense to me when a previous poster says S&B. Component sources may change over time; older Hornady (and Frontier) brass appears to be of US origin.
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Maybe S&B made some in the past, but my recent experience indicates otherwise. My Hornady 9.3X62 brass works just fine with a Lee shell holder, just like the .270, '06, and .308 among others. The S&B required the purchase of a separate RCBS shell holder. I've only used the S&B brass for reduced loads so I cannot say more than the dimensions are for sure different than the Hornady with the stuff I have.
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Some of the Hornady .308 Win. brass has a lightly crimped primer, which may account for the very tight primer pocket noted by USARV1970. I suspected it by appearances, but it was so light and consistent compared to other crimped primers that I wasn't sure. An email to Hornady confirmed that a crimp is applied to some of their .308 Win. ammo.
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13 responses re quality but no answer as to how makes it..  One oughtta 13 ain't bad around here.......... He also asked in the body of his post if it was any good and everyone answered that which is EXCELLENT  !
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Allen,
Thanks for the extensive information.
One problem with anything on the Hornet case is going to be constant: There isn't much brass even around a small primer pocket, no matter how "heavy" the brass. Hence it's easy for the brass to expand and the primer leak. It's also one reason for short case life.
Saw this in the .22 Hornet myself years ago when first experimenting with various newer powders, and it's why I switched entirely to Li'l Gun for maximum velocity .22 Hornet loads: Even with a case full of powder and a 40-grain bullet, pressures are far lower than with "traditional" Hornet powders, so brass lasts a lot longer and primer pockets don't leak even on hot days.
The .17 Hornet has had two strikes on it from the beginning: Necking down a case tends to increase pressures, especially when looking for higher velocities, and the SAAMI max pressure is 50,000 psi. The .22 Hornet's is 49,000, but with the larger bore it's easy to get top velocities with much lower pressures when using powders like Li'l Gun and 1680, rather than traditional powders like 2400, H110, etc.
Unfortunately, there aren't many temp-resistant powders suitable to the .17 Hornet case. The only one of Hodgdon's Extremes that works at all is H322, and then only with 25-30 grain bullets instead of the 20's most people want to run because they're so fast.
Pressures are considerably lower with the 25's, however, around 36,000 psi, and velocities are around 3100-3200, depending on barrel length. But with 30's pressures are close to 50,000 again, though they wouldn't rise as much in hot weather with H322 as with other powders.
All the loading data shows the top-velocity 20-grain pressures are right up to the max, and none of the powders producing the top velocities is very temp-resistant, whether Li'l Gun or Accurate 1680 or whatever. Aside from simply reducing loads with those powders for hot-weather shooting, the best solution would probably be to use H322 with 25's.
I'm going to be doing some more experimenting this summer and will see what happens. My own .17 Hornet is one of the heavier barreled CZ's that puts every bullet weight into the same group at 100 yards, so the experimenting will be relatively easy.
MD, have you tried AA2200 in the 17 Hornet? I only load the .22 Hornet at this time, not the .17, but if I were to make an educated guess, (and I am guessing ), AA2200 would be probably my first choice to try, based on performance of AA1680 in the larger bore of the .22 version. I'd guess it will probably fill the case before peak pressure is reached, but give decent velocity and good accuracy. Could be wrong though?
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Yondering,
2200 works well in the .17 Hornet, though velocity is somewhat slower with 20-grain bullets than slightly faster-burning powders. In my rifle's 22-inch barrel, Western's maximum listed charge of around 13 grains gets just under 3500 fps, while Hornady's maximum load for 1680 gets 3600-3700, depending on the bullet. But 2200 is just about ideal for 25-grain bullets.
To tell the truth, I've found 1680 a little too slow-burning in either the .22 Hornet or K-Hornet. Accuracy is fine but velocity lags at least 200 fps behind Li'l Gun or Alliant 300 MP, because not enough 1680 will fit inside their cases. As an example, the widely-published load of 13.0 grains if L'il Gun gets 3000+ fps with 40-grain bullets in my Ruger No. 1B, the velocity varying on the particular bullet. With Western's listed maximum of 14.0 grains of 1680 (about all that will fit in the Hornet case) velocity is around 2700 fps.
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I have found the same with 1680, about 2800 fps with the 40gr V-max in my #1, but it's also the most accurate load for my rifle so I use it. I'm using 14.5 gr and the bullet is barely seated in the case, but still a long ways off the lands.
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Yeah, the throat in mine is the same way.
I ran an experiment a few years ago with a Lee Loader and Li'l Gun. Did most of the benchrest-shooter type stuff to the cases, though sorted them for consistent neck thickness rather than outside-turning them, then loaded them in the Lee hand tool to keep every thing as straight as possible. Got the 5-shot group average down to under 1/2" at 100 yards, using 40-grain Ballistic Tips. The best single group measured .43" but four were in .18". With ammo cranked out on a press the same load goes around 3/4" for 10-round groups, shot as fast as I can aim them well.
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The only problems I've had with Hornady brass was with .480 Ruger. The brass between their factory loads for 325 gr and 400 gr XTP's was different, needed different shell holders. The 400 gr brass also showed over pressure signs, mainly sticky extraction, and expanded to the point it would not go into a chamber after firing. I have to use a Lee Factory Crimp Die to keep from having a "hump" at the bullet entry point that keeps the shell from fully seating in the chamber. Hornady told me all their .480 brass was the same, but it just ain't so. I use Starline now whenever possible.
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