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there's a few of you I really enjoy reading your discussion on firearms and ballistics.
I screwed up, but I should have bought a lh Rem 700 in .375, but I hesitated cause it had a 26 inch Douglas tube on it.
someone smarter than me didn't hesitate
he who hesitates loses out on the firearms
I'm pretty certain when we sing our anthem and mention the land of the free, the original intent didn't mean cell phones, food stamps and birth control.
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Does the 7mm Remington Magnum perform best with a 24" or 26" barrel? Define "perform".. What could I expect to gain over a 22" barreled 270 Winchester? Look at it this way, if you like. A 7 Rem mag will do with a 160 gr bullet about what a 270 will do with a 130 gr. And it will do with a 175 gr, about what a 270 Win will do with a 150 gr. We could talk about lighter bullets and higher velocities in the 7 Rem Mag as well, but to me the key advantage of a 7 Rem Mag(or any magnum capacity 7mm) is the ability to push heavy 7mm bullets at the same or higher velocity than can be obtained from the smaller 7mm's with lighter bullets. Thanks. I had not thought of it that way.
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Agree with comments about 24" or so being just fine (and even somewhat shorter as well) in the 7mm Rem Mag. Will only add that a 26" barrel is the berries in a Ruger #1S.
The balance and "feel" of this rifle is superb, and it doesn't feel as heavy as it is (the weight is the down side, as it tips the beam at a bit more than 9# w/ scope).
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Klik,
Dang! I forgot the magic .308 and .30-06 powders.
Do you know where I could buy some?
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If you remove the last 2" of a 26" barrel, just be sure you cut where the rifling is pointing downward.
If you don't, it will fling your bullet almost vertically straight up as it exits the barrel and can come down on your head.
BTDT.
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I have my first big game rifle, a Model 70 XTR in a B&C Medalist. It has the 24" barrel and man, it is a really handy rifle. Plus, I don't have any issues getting all the numbers Bob mentioned.
Been working with Norma MRP and Swift Scirocco's lately and they have been impressive in speeds and how well the bullet holds up.
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If you remove the last 2" of a 26" barrel, just be sure you cut where the rifling is pointing downward.
If you don't, it will fling your bullet almost vertically straight up as it exits the barrel and can come down on your head.
BTDT. lmao those gotta be words to live by right there!
I'm pretty certain when we sing our anthem and mention the land of the free, the original intent didn't mean cell phones, food stamps and birth control.
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VAhuntr -
For a bolt-gun carry rifle 24" is max for me. That's what my Ruger 7mm RM has and it has worked fine since 1982 when I bought it.
Any gain over a 22" .270 depends on how you load them. Whether any such gain is results in a usable advantage also depends on what you are hunting and at what ranges.
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No, I'm not a Ruger bigot - just an unabashed fan of their revolvers, M77's and #1's.
A good .30-06 is a 99% solution.
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My 700 / 7mm Rem.Mag. came with a 24" bbl. My BAR MkII Safari w/B.O.S.S. came with a 22" bbl., plus the B.O.S.S. Both are accurate rifles for hunting. My 700 / .375 ULTRA MAG came with a 26" bbl. I've not tested it for accuracy yet, but it'll let you know you pulled the trigger!
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Klik,
Dang! I forgot the magic .308 and .30-06 powders.
Do you know where I could buy some? What the hell, I thought you said the 308 would shoot with horse manure stuffed in the case. ...How much more magical can you get that that!!!
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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VAhuntr -
For a bolt-gun carry rifle 24" is max for me. That's what my Ruger 7mm RM has and it has worked fine since 1982 when I bought it.
Any gain over a 22" .270 depends on how you load them. Whether any such gain is results in a usable advantage also depends on what you are hunting and at what ranges. I was wondering when you were going to say something.
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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Guys that are hiking around have very different needs than a guy that only walks 200 yards from his truck and climbs a tree over looking a bean field or hunting a power line. The guy that walks very little and hunts from a fixed platform could have a 28" barrel with no ill effects.
Usable advantage?
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If you want the benefits of a longer barrel and the handiness of a short rifle, you can always cut two inches off the stock- Still laughing, but a better answer would be to cut 2" off the forend. Same LOP ,same barrel length no loss of performance. Manufactures put 24-26" barrels on Magnums for a reason that is add'n velocity so you don't have to run uber powder charges to get it. Can't handle a 24" or 26" stay home and handle honey do's. I am on my second 7 mag barrel at 24" and there is a ss 26" waitng in the wings for next time. Short barrels and mag cartridges suck as do any other over bore capacity cartridge in a short barrel. Longer barrels provide cheap velocity gains period. You don't want the extra velocity go buy a std cartridge . OP solicited opinions ,I just gave him mine, you don't like it, too bad. Magnum Man
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My only 7mm mag was a Winchester model 70 and it had a 24" barrel. My nephew has it now. I was a shooter and balanced well but it was too heavy. I never hunted it for that reason. I liked it at the range well enough.
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Klik,
Dang! I forgot the magic .308 and .30-06 powders.
Do you know where I could buy some? I'm thinking you probably have some on your shelves. It's up to you to learn how to hand load "correctly" now.
Sometimes, the air you 'let in'matters less than the air you 'let out'.
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Get the 26" barrel and try it out. Easy to cut some off but hard to add later. My current 7RM has a 23" barrel and it usually doesn't get to published velocities with out a strain. I suspect it is the fabled slow barrel rather than the length. Or lack of magic powder and secret loading knowledge. When I re-barrel I will probably go 25". I have lighter 280AI and 270 WSM so lots of overlap.
270 vs 7RM sounds like a whats a .223AI? type post.
For deer size game probably not a lot of difference. For Elk and similar the 7RM gives me more confidence.
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I've got an HCR 7mag w/26' bbl, and a Tikka 695 w/24" bbl. They are both very, very accurate. The HCR shoots so well I don't dare screw with chopping off and inch or two. 140's= 3200, 150's = 3100, 160's = 3000.
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I debated the same thing. Went 24". Sako action,Mcgowen barrel. Still breaking in but It'll do 3200's no problem with 140's. But I might have to settle for 3175.
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Those 140 AB's are nasty, nasty stuff! My buddy dumped a big 185 class muley buck at a distance of a whopping 30 yards out of his 7STW. It retained 65% of it's weight, penetrated over 3 feet! Perfect performance.
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Hopefully this fall we will see:). My son put a 130 AB from a 270 WSM between the shoulder and brisket on a 300# muley.Found it in the off hind quarter under the skin. DRT at 250 yds.
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