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Shotgun powder,...they say don't use it for nothing else,...but 3 grains of it with a 71 grain .312 FMJ is a nice plinking load in my old .32 S&W long hand ejectors.
I'm gonna consider it a substitute for Bullseye until somethin' blows up.
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How are you judging pressure? Sounds like it is workable to me. Can you find any WW 231?
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You can figure it about like Bullseye, maybe a little faster or a little slower depending on testing method. I have used it in .44 Mag plinking loads but WOULD NOT recommend it without first talking to Hodgdon. Surprisingly they may know something the rest of us don't.
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How are you judging pressure? I shoot it,..and if it don't blow up in my face, it's good to go.
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How are you judging pressure? I shoot it,..and if it don't blow up in my face, it's good to go.
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Come to think of it I did use Titewad in an 8x57 gallery load with a buckshot (000?). Worked well, you do want an easy to ignite fastest possible powder. For pressure there was so little powder you could probably get away with blank powder. Still wouldn't hurt to run it by Hodgdon which I never did. It could do something unexpected but more likely they didn't see an application and didn't test it considering the other shotgun/pistol powders in their lineup.
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I'm sure Titewad will work just fine for you. Alliant 20/28 works pretty good for me in low pressure loads in my 32/20.
Alliant doesn't recommend it for pistols either.
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Notes (from 2001) say 00 buck (53.6 gr.) starting at 2.6 gr. Titewad for 732 fps working up to 9 gr. and 1976 fps. Velocity consistency improved markedly at 5 gr./1479 fps. Only problems noted were feeding (of course) and lubrication being a pain in the butt. Grouping improved and case residue decreases (there's a hint at pressure) at 7 gr./1832 fps, seemed to be the sweet spot.
Still, it's an at your own risk kind of thing.
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I've done it a few times, use powder in a cartridge for which no load data exists. Usually just find a powder that is a little faster on the chart, then start with its loads as starting loads, then work up carefully with the new powder.
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Actually,..Hodgdon's *did* finally list some load data for it with the .45 ACP.
Their data seems to suggest that it generates fairly high pressure for the velocities achieved,...which is only normal with an ultra fast powder.
It's definitely not a propellant that you want to play with at high velocities, but it does okay for plinking loads.
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As far as "Blank Powders" go, I am strictly a "Cereal Shooter"
GREAT stuff for fireforming.
Putting it behind anything HEAVIER than a light payload of COW, or Wheatena ?
Not in anything, never, no way.
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It seems to work pretty good in these light bullet loads for the .32 long,...which uses a light bullet, anyway.
I bought a double handful of those 71 grain .312 bullets intended for the .32 auto.
I've been twisting them up to 1600+ in my 7.62X25 with SR4756.
I decided to cap a few .32 longs with them using Titewad to see what happened.
3 grains of the stuff doesn't even begin to iron the primers out and I bet they're doing in excess of 900 fps out of the little revolvers.
,....looks like it's gonna make a dandy pop gun load.
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I LOVE that, and am taking notes,.....
Someone else was talking about BLANK powder.
Bad Idea, IMHO.
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You have any Trail Boss? I'd use it in any straight wall cases for reduced loads.
---------------------------------------- I'm a big fan of the courtesy flush.
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I mentioned it (blank powder). First of all you can't get it and second it's pretty much gun cotton and if not explosive the next thing to it. Would not be wise or useful to use in a bulleted cartridge. It is possible in tiny amounts but there's absolutely no point to it, can't do anything a fast powder like Titewad can do much more safely.
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Trail Boss is one of the few powders that's been available. If you can get a hold of some locally,give it a shot.
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I mentioned it (blank powder). First of all you can't get it and second it's pretty much gun cotton and if not explosive the next thing to it. Would not be wise or useful to use in a bulleted cartridge. It is possible in tiny amounts but there's absolutely no point to it, can't do anything a fast powder like Titewad can do much more safely. For pressure there was so little powder you could probably get away with blank powder. Oh, I see,.... not GTC
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I mentioned it (blank powder). yes, per above First of all you can't get it Dead WRONG, unless you're scared of pulling wooden bullets out of a vertitable HOST of blanks that have been available on the surplus market FOREVER and second it's pretty much gun cotton and if not explosive the next thing to it. Wrong again,....it's POWDER,....Some in flake, some real small beads, almost dust,..... Would not be wise or useful to use in a bulleted cartridge. It is possible in tiny amounts but there's absolutely no point to it, can't do anything a fast powder like Titewad can do much more safely. Hence, my response, and somewhat jaundiced view of WTF it was you were trying to say in your first post regarding "Blank Powder". Frankly I'm still at a loss as to just why Blank Powder was brought up at all. Judging from your last post, I honestly think you may be , too. Blank Powder..... A.) GREAT stuff for fireforming,..... B.) NEVER behind a heavier payload ! C.) NEVER use hand loading advice garnered off the internet GTC
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How are you judging pressure? I shoot it,..and if it don't blow up in my face, it's good to go. Hee hee! Makes sense.
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