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if i had the time, i'd take you up on that.

Wondering how many Fencing outfits this "project" will devour.

That pack of clowns trying to put in posts with that 2 man hand held joke, and the dull bit were entertaining.

get lotsa' photos for us there, impressive one.

GTC

If you had a brain you woudn't be such a stupid assumptive [bleep].......worthless piece of schite...

was signing my own paychecks before i was 30......dont think ive done to bad, but then again learned quick there are more important things than a fat bank account.....as far as preservation of capital....given you seem to have no clue how to figure out how much fence yah need BEFORE getting quotes well i aint inclined to take your advice on financial matters....

yep keep preaching your bullchit spanker.....

I built a fence once, got to take it as a tax deduction, so if this is business related that is one avenue to help with the cost.

he isn't smart enough to figure that out...or he is just trolling again as usual...

Yes, it is tax deductible but I can't take it until the vineyard is in production (two years) and then it must be depreciated over "X" years.

I need a new CPA; one that is familiar with vineyard, winery, and tasting room operations.

If you're having trouble with that, along with the fencing, time to look within, bud..

Spanky reminds me of the clients my wife used to get back in the valley.. Some young techie would cash in their options and want a tuscan villa. Of course they wanted their own private label vineyard to go with it.. Wifey would inform them right away that the deer were going to swarm it like locusts.. "We haven't seen any deer up here.." They'd always reply. Wifey would nicely tell them that they will see them when they plant the grapes. They better think about a fence.

Young, rich, techies would demand it without the fence, wifey would design an amazing landscape, right out of tuscany, even though no one had even been there.. Soon after the grapes would go in, she would get a call about keeping the deer out.. "Does lion pee work?".. No, she would inform them, a hungry deer will step over a mountain lion to get at grapes, and that they need a 6 foot fence, minimum. " We heard it works, we're doing it".

Not too long after that, she'd get a call about designing an aesthetically pleasing deer fence, which, of course, do not exist.

It was always easy to see the people with more money than common sense.

Electric gates are NOT expensive. The opener was under 1000 bucks. Thats for a good one. Gate is only what it costs to weld one.

But with the deliveries it might be an issue. IF it matters. We have a keypad at ours, who needs to get in has the combo number, punches it and is in.

You really like being beat up don't you. Reminds me of a city guy moved to the country. His neighbor, my best friend, listened to all the plans. He'd read this on google and that... and my buddy let him roll. Then as time went on my buddy mentioned a few things that would not work, regardless of what google said.

Tank kept drying up after 25K of dozer work. You don't build a tank in the sand.... Bees, attracted africanized ones.... Garden didnt't grow worht a flip. Chickens and guieneas ate by hawks without a chicken coop... Lost probably close to 100 fruit trees since he didn't believe bucks would rub their antlers on them in the fall...

Sometimes even if you THINK you konw or learned whats going on, you need to talk to people that have walked that path for more than a couple of years.

See it all the time in town in my inspections.... folks can barely afford a house or mobile home. And then bitch to us about what all we force on them to meet code, how expensive the water/sewer/electrical taps are. Can't believe the cost of the bills after thats paid for, you mean Electric ain't free? And when its hottern' hell or cold, they want to know why their bill doubled or more.
And we have to PAY?? to have our trash picked up?

Funniest thing was a welfare mother POS, complained why here electric bill was over 600 one month in the summer. So I go over to talk with her and snoop it all out. Well duh, double wide, older model, not well built, in the sun, no shade and she kept the central AC on 62... when it was 110 in the shade.... so it ran constantly. And later she wanted to konw why her unit had to be replaced it, was only 5 or 6 years old.... IIRC>

Apply some common sense to your life and spending and do some research and life gets better.

I generally even research a gun purchase often for a year or so to run it by folks, look at the options, sleep on it, decide if its right, sane, safe etc... and then save up the cash for the transaction....

BTW a FWIW.... I've watched whitetails jump 8 foot "deer proof" fence on a daily basis a number of times, once they learn how its easy. They just have to figure out that they can do it.

when I first started guiding, some of my very first clients were some brothers and cousins from New Jersey, young guys, kind of an oddity to have such young guys as clients. Really nice guys, probably gave me a false impression of NJ guys, and how I ended up getting snookered by ironbender. (grin)


anyhoo, sitting out glassin, talkin about life back home, couple of the guys either owned or worked (IIRC owned) a fence building outfit.

told me the bulk of their biz was fencing properties to keep deer out.

"Really?" sez I, my god how tall of fences do you build for that?"

oh we offer either 4 ft. or 6 ft. versions.

"4 ft. how's that sposed to keep a deer out?"

oh you grew up around deer, you know that, but the average NJ suburbanite doesn't


still makes me chuckle

guess it paid well enough they could afford to hunt in AK while still young.

Sounds like you were guiding theives to me. Grins.

had some similar thoughts Jeff,

how the heck do you look someone straight in the face and tell them you'll build a 4 ft. "deer" fence for them?

and then take the loot for having done so?

I teased them good naturedly the rest of the hunt tellin them I was guidin the NJ fence mafia. They got a kick out of it.

and actually one of the brothers could hunt, Tom had a good game eye and was impervious to the weather.

had a blast with them, memorable times on that hunt

Over here, the traditional stock barrier for those circumstances was called a Ha-Ha

The one in the link is only designed for stock, but I've seen similar albiet deeper ones for deer..Then you had a sort of half way house, which was a shallow ha-ha, topped with a normal size stock fence. As long as the combined height is a minimum of 6 foot, you are good to go for our Fallow and Red deer.


You don't see new ha-ha's being built much these days due to the costs, but they are apparently very effective when built correctly

I've pretty much decided on a formal wrought iron entry gate and a bump gate at the other end of the property. It will open automatically when any vehicle approaches and close upon their leaving.

You're right they are not that expensive compared to 2,250 feet of wire and post fencing and five interior gates they would replace.

I am fully aware of the damage deer will do to grape vines, that is why I am investing in fencing and gates before vines arrive in June.

This is a professionally designed, installed, and operated vineyard, not a "hobby" vineyard. I am under no illusions that it will turn a profit anytime soon. It is a legacy thing, something for The Wife and I to enjoy while we are alive and then pass on to the next generation.

We will have income from the winery/tasting room to offset some of the expenses. And,once the vineyard is in production, we will have very significant tax advantages. This is not a get rich quick scheme. It is capital and labor intensive but provides a wonderful and intense lifestyle much better than spending our money on world cruises. (Besides The Wife refuses to fly commercial.)

Randy;
Happy Easter to you and yours my cyber friend.

I really enjoyed your story about the fence builders and if it's OK I'll segue into an Okanagan fence story for you folks.

Typically, a deer fence in this part of the country is at least 10' high that's TEN FEET for those interested in preserving grapes in a meaningful way.

Anyway Randy, we did this little experiment transplanting some California Bighorns a few years back - we being the volunteers helping out Ministry of Environment guys.

The plan was to get some pregnant ewes to lamb out in a new drainage north of their old range, as if they did that the thought was they'd establish a population there. Sorta like salmon returning to their spawning stream as I understood the gist of it. To be included was one young ram to act as the patriarch of the new flock/herd.

So this 5 or maybe it was 10 acre pasture was fenced in with "standard" height Okanagan deer fence at 10'.

We captured something like 15 pregnant ewes and added one 3 year old ram. At the end I convinced the head bio to throw in a 1 year old ram I'd hogtied and blindfolded too. My theory being I had him all trussed up for transport anyway, right?

The head bio and powers that be decided to do that and away the sheep herd went to the new pasture where feeders were stocked with the same vittles we'd used to trap the herd in the first place.

Now I wasn't there, but as I was told, the herd nicely got unloaded, wandered over to the feeders, had a wee nibble and then walked to the far corner of the pasture and all hopped out like it was no big deal at all.

The really crazy part of this though Randy is that they all returned to the feeders the next day! Well the 3 year old ram did not - he went straight south toward home and was never seen again.

From what I recall the bios and powers that be decided in short order to just leave the gate open as they didn't want to have the pregnant ewes injured.

Oh, they all did stay in the drainage too Randy, except the 3 year old previously mentioned. That little 1 year old ram I'd blindfolded ended up being the ram that serviced the herd until it grew up a bit.

Somewhere if I can find it sometime, I've got a photo of a buddy who helped me hogtie and blindfold that ram - so I'll see later if I can scan it maybe.

Hopefully you and yours have a Happy and Blessed Easter Randy. All the best to all our cyber friends here as well.

Dwayne

bump gate, that ought to destroy some vehicles for sure. If you ain't used em before they'll get you and they ain't light. At least if its like the bump gates I'm used to.

And yes, if you have to have a fancy gate, its gonna cost you more, but thats part of the game.

A gate around here, 16 foot stock gate and opener will cost you around 1000 bucks and you put it in yourself to save someone charging you 1500 bucks to sell the opener to you and install it.

I've about no sympathy for folks that decide to play the big fancy game and then complain.

There is a Meadery down the road from us. Gravel road in. Vineyards and all... and nothing fancy but they turn a heck of a profit.

Not complaining, just explaining.