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Why didn't Marlin use a necked down 444 Marlin to make a 35 and a 308, maybe even a 25 caliber family of cartridges?
A bigger case can push a bullet faster with less pressure.
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Isn't the 336 the same action as the 1895? Those handle the .450 Marlin and 45-70.
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Isn't the 336 the same action as the 1895? Those handle the .450 Marlin and 45-70. SAAMI pressure for the 450 Marlin is 43,500 psi, considerably less than the 358. The 45-70's SAAMI pressure is a very low 28,000 psi. Any responsible handload will be no higher than the 450 Marlin's pressure.
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Isn't the 336 the same action as the 1895? Those handle the .450 Marlin and 45-70. SAAMI pressure for the 450 Marlin is 43,500 psi, considerably less than the 358. The 45-70's SAAMI pressure is a very low 28,000 psi. Any responsible handload will be no higher than the 450 Marlin's pressure. We have discussed this before so I will not even go there! Jim
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I am completely nuetral here. Why did Marlin quit ,aking the 356?
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Have never read or heard anything over the years to suggest that the Marlins in .356 were any tougher than all the others.
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I think this issue has been burnt to a small pile of ashes on this and several other sites. The only way to know for sure is if Marlin issues a statememt on their manufacturing methods relating to the "different" actions and/or the heat treating process and that will NEVER HAPPEN...ergo...there is NO answer AND possibly NO END to these questions.
I seem to keep seeing the same monikers on different sites asking the same question and getting the same non-answers and replies.
This is worse than de-ja vu with your ex-wife. I keep looking for new and interesting things about the Marlin, but "old nasty, mean,and ugly" keeps appearing out of the darkness. I keep having to patch bullet holes in the walls...Please, can you quit it, I'm running out of patching plaster.
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"The Extra Range has Marlin's classic lever action styling and quality. It's action is machined from six solid steel forgings that are heat treated for even greater strength and durability."
This is how all 336's are made!
Brophy page 263. Emphasis added.
It sure sounds like rifles chambered in 356 got different heat treating that rifles in lower pressure rounds. Considering the difference in pressure between a 35 Rem and a 356 that's to be expected
Advertising HYPE! Written for people who will believe anything in print without question. Most folks will believe what they want to hear so marketing types play on that weakness.
BTW, look up the 336 part numbers. ALL Marlin 336s (until very recent manufacture) have the same part number regardless of caliber.
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Now...I got a question that is kinda off topic. Why didn't Winchester do the 375 on the 307/356 case? WHY the 30/30? I don't get it. I'm not doggin' the 375 Win but it does seem they went the "little sister" route with their case choice. Where they worried about bolt thrust? or what? Can anyone guide me on this one?
Mark H
Simple. The .307 and .356 didn't exist. The .375 was the first Big Bore 94 by a few years.
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