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At the gun show I saw this Shield and it was selling for $399 with a box of ammo thrown in. Did not ask what kind of ammo he would have thrown it in but I am thinking its probably worth $25. I already bought a Kahr CW-9 because it felt a bit better in my hand. Have not gotten around to shooting this Kahr yet. However when I bought this Kahr the owners manual says this can handle +P 9mm but the owners manual for the Shield says they do not handle +P ammo. Anyone have tried the +P?
I have thought about buying the Shield but am not so sure as I have this Kahr I need to wring out...
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I'd give a hard look at that new 4.0 XD in 9mm before I bought a Shield. I've fondled but not shot the Shield, it didn't give me a warm fuzzy.
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When a manufacturer communicates warnings about the use of +P ammunition, there are two things to consider:
1. Will the accelerated wear caused by the use of +P ammo be an issue worth considering; and 2. Will the use of +P ammo effect the reliability of the pistol.
A few rounds probably won't hurt a thing, but the bigger issue is whether or not the gun performs reliably with the hotter ammo.
Kahr's seem to thrive on +P ammo and several guns that I'm aware of actually work better with the stuff.
So, if shooting a steady diet of +P is a personal requirement, I'd certainly pick a pistol that will undoubtedly be up the task, not one that might.
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Another thing to think about is, if you don't reload (you should start if you don't) and you buy surplus GI 9mm, all of that stuff basically is +P, or damn near it.
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I just bought the Shield and I thought it could handle the P ammo. Gotta read the manual again
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I just bought the Shield and I thought it could handle the P ammo. Gotta read the manual again Hard to believe it cannot.
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From the Shield Owners Manual:
�Plus-P� (+P) ammunition generates pressures in excess of the pressures associated with standard ammunition. Such pressures may affect the wear characteristics or exceed the margin of safety. Use of �Plus-P� ammunition may result in the need for more frequent service.
This language is routinely used in Manuals for many models when commercially produced +P ammo is available for a model of a particular cartridge.
Like I said in my previous post; I (personally) wouldn't be too concerned about the "more frequent service" aspect of using +P ammo, I'd be more concerned about reliability. If I could determine that wasn't going to be an problem, I could deal with the increased wear through proper PM if using +P ammo was just a "have to" issue.
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From the Shield Owners Manual:
�Plus-P� (+P) ammunition generates pressures in excess of the pressures associated with standard ammunition. Such pressures may affect the wear characteristics or exceed the margin of safety. Use of �Plus-P� ammunition may result in the need for more frequent service.
This language is routinely used in Manuals for many models when commercially produced +P ammo is available for a model of a particular cartridge.
Like I said in my previous post; I (personally) wouldn't be too concerned about the "more frequent service" aspect of using +P ammo, I'd be more concerned about reliability. If I could determine that wasn't going to be an problem, I could deal with the increased wear through proper PM if using +P ammo was just a "have to" issue. OK, so it doesn't say it's not approved for it. It's just saying what we all know already, i.e., that +P will accelerate wear. That's the case with any handgun.
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I have the Shield in 40 S&W and everything in the 40 ammo is Plus P in my opinion
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+1 and the 40 S&W Shield works just fine.
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