Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Winchester Collectors Winchester 70 - any pre64 experts?

Just because it has a pad doesn't mean the stock has been shortened. I once bought a Pre-64 M-70 .30/06 off of GB that had an ill-fitted recoil pad on it and nobody would bid on it. I asked the seller to send me picture of the top rear of the stock. The "widow's peak" was still visible which means the stock had not been cut. I bought the rifle, complete with a Leupold 4X, for about $800. I then removed the recoil pad and attached a Pre-64 steel butt plate to the stock and it fit perfectly.

I think this one has been cut, a little anyway and the barrel channel wood has really been cut out. So the stock is something I will play around with a little or try to replace at some point.

Any suggestions on finding the iron sights? Rule seems to say a Lyman No 16B (with the white triangle) and a Winchester No 103c .310 inch high for the front. Should I just buy the new Lyman and try to find a proper Lyman mate for the front? I'm assuming the hood will need to be Ebay, etc., or are there other sources?

Me too. I think that's a great deal on the rifle pictured. I don't let stocks sway me away from a good deal. Stocks can always be swapped, whether it's for a Mcmillan or original. The rifle looks very honest to me..

I'm always interested in seeing more pics. Thanks.

Got the shooter home today. Still looks pretty good overall I think. Got a few little dark marks around the primer area on the bolt face. Not great picts but more coming.

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I hate recoil pads but at my age I have accepted them and it's best not to worry about them. Even the white line. That's a good buy.

Im out of sight blanks right now but plan on ordering a hand full, Were your gun mine I would slide a blank in there and find a bead to fill front sight, the hood is an option,many were removed back when folks hunted instead of making the 5 min walk to their favorite deerstand (like I do now!) . At 60 I find myself doing a lot less Indian hunting (walk,stalk hunt). the sight hood seemed to catch every briar and catclaw vine I had to get thru! very best WinPoor

Hope your as happy with yours as I am with mine. These guns are made to be shot and hunted with, IMHO. If you want a hunter, you got a GREAT deal.

Now, if you want to re-finish the stock, re-blue the metal, it wont make a tinkers damn but it will be a beautiful shooter you will cherish and be proud of'

You dun good son

winchester-rich, I might do a blank if I end up with a Lyman peep at some point.
Otherwise I'm thinking a Lyman No. 16B in correct, which I think I can still buy?
The front Winchester No. 103C (.310 inch high) I guess I need to find used on EBay, etc.? Would a new Lyman bead of some type work for the front?

I also want the front hood, seen a few online used but again I'm not sure if they correct.

I would have to pull out my Mr Rules book and do a little research to give you an educated answer. Im gonna check on my mid 80's mother and shoot a few guns at farm after feeding calves but I will look up an answer. very best

Sounds like winpoor is going to be busy so I'll help with some answers:

Rear sight should be a Lyman 16B. These can be found on ebay for $25.00 (approx.).

Front sight is a Winchester number 103C. Any front hood from a pre 64 model 70 will work, except for the 7mm caliber rifles. This used a different part #. 3277 vs. 3278. A word of caution on the front hoods: Beware of the unoriginals out there. Ebay has the correct front sight and sight hood as a set right now. Auction ends in 3 days..

Thanks for the info guys. I'm still a little confused (as usual) - can I just buy the new Lyman 16B or are they different in some way? bsa1917 - I can't seem to find that "set" for sale (EBay) but I'm still looking

Stripped the stock for refinishing. Tooth-brushed the checkering and it looks pretty good with that after market dark finish removed.

Looks good....

Gus, have you found a good 103 C front sight for that rifle yet? Here is one on ebay buddy:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Factory-Ori..._DefaultDomain_0&hash=item46207b8f57

I know Rule says these are supposed to have a gold bead, but most of mine are silver like this one....

Your stock is looking good too...I also mask off the checkering so it doesn't get damaged or filled in with finish. Good luck with your project and let me know if you end up buying this front sight. If not, I may snag it....

Gusb, that is good looking wood you have there! very best on your project, keep us posted, a fellow now retired used to sell a reddish stain that matched the old Winchester look dead nuts! I would try and find a bit. I think I would pillar block bed and seal barrel channel and butt before I put the finish on. again just my 2 C. very best WinPoor

Larry Taylor now sells John Kay's original Winchester stock oil finish...

LarTay9aol.com 520-403-1080

It's the real deal....cut it with mineral spirits or use it full strength...

BINGO, Mr Balltownbob, I think I have half or sometimers as I could not for the life nor 100 bucks remember John Kays name !!! very best WinPoor