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Re: Small rant, sure most can relate BobinNH #9127218 08/25/14
Joined: Apr 2010 Posts: 3,044 T TexasPhotog Campfire Tracker
TexasPhotog Campfire Tracker T Joined: Apr 2010 Posts: 3,044	Originally Posted by BobinNH Originally Posted by boatanchor Originally Posted by Bbear I wouldn't think of taking a '700 yard shot' at walking deer, much less a running deer. I have more respect for the game than that. If you practiced shooting more often you might change your mind Just speaking for myself, I have practiced shooting quite a bit, but simply do not understand why some folks are infatuated with shooting animals at very long range.I'm not really against it;simply don't care about it. The technology of LR rifle shooting fascinates me;it'a also fun plinking targets at great distance,and I "get" the intellectual stimulation of ballistic problem solving,and hitting a small target at great distance. I always figured that's what varmint hunting was for. But sniping some unsuspecting BG animal at 1000 yards would leave me ambivalent.....at least that's how I felt on the handful of animals I've killed at 500 yards or so.It did not thrill me at all....kind of like not being involved in a "hunt". I have gotten a far bigger thrill when the animals were a lot closer...Felt more involved in a pursuit, and less like a detached assassin. Maybe that's why I got by with a 4X scope all those years. I agree Bob, although I douse more X's and an elevation turret. I've also guided enough to know that someone who can hit an antelope reliably at 300 yards is, well, to be kind, uncommon. "The trouble ain't that there is too many fools, but that lightening ain't distributed right." - Mark Twain

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Re: Small rant, sure most can relate TexasPhotog #9127329 08/25/14
Joined: Jun 2001 Posts: 32,074 Kenai Peninsula, AK L las Campfire 'Bwana
las Campfire 'Bwana L Joined: Jun 2001 Posts: 32,074 Kenai Peninsula, AK	My feelings too. Sure, they might be able to kill an elk at 1,000 yards. But can they find it afterward? I've killed caribou out beyond 400 yards on the tundra tussocks- not a tree or bush in sight. The corpse is often smaller than the tussocks, and not that different in color. I take a compass line, just to make it easy... The only true cost of having a dog is its death.

Re: Small rant, sure most can relate smokepole #9151065 09/03/14
Joined: Jan 2002 Posts: 12,192 Northern Colorado Tracks Campfire Outfitter
Tracks Campfire Outfitter Joined: Jan 2002 Posts: 12,192 Northern Colorado	Bullets got to go somewhere, every now and then an animal gets in the way.

Re: Small rant, sure most can relate Tracks #9151075 09/03/14
Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 58,372 Paradise,Alaska Big Stick Campfire Kahuna
Big Stick Campfire Kahuna Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 58,372 Paradise,Alaska	That's why I LOVE Sky Busting.................(grin) Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."

Re: Small rant, sure most can relate Big Stick #9151132 09/03/14
Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 18,075 GA, USA ready_on_the_right Campfire Ranger
ready_on_the_right Campfire Ranger Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 18,075 GA, USA	The old 700 yard .30-06 story and many other miracles is EXACTLY why I hate the .30-06! I can't count the number of times I've heard a tale of tales about magic shots with one! All the fair weather/bandwagon Dale Earnhardt fans soured me on him as well and I think he was actually a good driver. Mike God, Family, and Country. NRA Endowment Member

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Re: Small rant, sure most can relate las #9151152 09/03/14
Joined: Sep 2009 Posts: 12,074 Wyoming JohnBurns Campfire Outfitter
JohnBurns Campfire Outfitter Joined: Sep 2009 Posts: 12,074 Wyoming	Originally Posted by las My feelings too. Sure, they might be able to kill an elk at 1,000 yards. But can they find it afterward? I found a few. 1000 yds. 1100 yds. Heck there was the one time I even found a coyote that died at 4 digits on the range finder. (1017 yds for those that are somewhat slow)' John Burns I have all the sources. They can't stop the signal.

Re: Small rant, sure most can relate JohnBurns #9151703 09/04/14
Joined: Aug 2005 Posts: 28,239 W. Texas J JGRaider Campfire Ranger
JGRaider Campfire Ranger J Joined: Aug 2005 Posts: 28,239 W. Texas	Gotta agree with BobinNH on the LR killing stuff. Even though I plink around doing it, when I get serious trying to kill something, I get a big thrill on sneaking in as close as I can comfortably get. Burns obviously knows what he's doing, but based on the hunters I've had, and 42 years of killing stuff, the vast, vast majority of people have no business trying to kill big game over 250 yards. Then there's the wind factor......which will baffle the best of the best lots of times. It is irrelevant what you think. What matters is the TRUTH.

Re: Small rant, sure most can relate JGRaider #9151749 09/04/14
Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 20,809 outside the burgh B battue Campfire Ranger
battue Campfire Ranger B Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 20,809 outside the burgh	Great shooters that snipe successfully and great hunters that are only average shooters are not one and the same. Bob has obviously been around more than a couple great hunters. They both have their own set of bragging rights. Last edited by battue; 09/04/14. laissez les bons temps rouler

Re: Small rant, sure most can relate battue #9151775 09/04/14
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rcamuglia Campfire Outfitter Joined: Jun 2011 Posts: 10,819	To say everyone falls into one category or the other would be a mistake. Originally Posted by Bristoe The people wringing their hands over Trump's rhetoric don't know what time it is in America.

Re: Small rant, sure most can relate rcamuglia #9151783 09/04/14
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ingwe Campfire Oracle Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 78,300 Southwestern Montucky	Im sure someone has covered this angle ( didn't read the whole thread) but its up to the individual to do what he feels comfortable with. ( Granted many in all schools of thought feel comfortable loooong before they should) If you have the right equipment,amount of practice, and mind set long range may be for you. If you don't care for the idea and aren't comfortable shooting past 300 yards, then don't do it. Its not rocket surgery... "...the left considers you vermin, and they'll kill you given the chance..." Bristoe

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Re: Small rant, sure most can relate rcamuglia #9151791 09/04/14
Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 20,809 outside the burgh B battue Campfire Ranger
battue Campfire Ranger B Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 20,809 outside the burgh	Hell, it would be a mistake to say most fall into either of the two categories. Time permitting I would appreciate one of the LR people taking me under their wing for a little bit. But give me a choice and I would rather hang with one who knows what the game is thinking and why and where they are thinking it. Last edited by battue; 09/04/14. laissez les bons temps rouler

Re: Small rant, sure most can relate ingwe #9151809 09/04/14
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battue Campfire Ranger B Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 20,809 outside the burgh	Off subject for a second. Ingwe: That Dog is coming along nicely. Thanks for the advice. Last edited by battue; 09/04/14. laissez les bons temps rouler

Re: Small rant, sure most can relate JGRaider #9151864 09/04/14
Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 58,372 Paradise,Alaska Big Stick Campfire Kahuna
Big Stick Campfire Kahuna Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 58,372 Paradise,Alaska	Originally Posted by JGRaider Gotta agree with BobinNH on the LR killing stuff. Even though I plink around doing it, when I get serious trying to kill something, I get a big thrill on sneaking in as close as I can comfortably get. Burns obviously knows what he's doing, but based on the hunters I've had, and 42 years of killing stuff, the vast, vast majority of people have no business trying to kill big game over 250 yards. Then there's the wind factor......which will baffle the best of the best lots of times. Extra funny,due your incredible CLUELESSNESS. Bless your heart.............. Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."

Re: Small rant, sure most can relate battue #9151869 09/04/14
Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 58,372 Paradise,Alaska Big Stick Campfire Kahuna
Big Stick Campfire Kahuna Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 58,372 Paradise,Alaska	I'm not a back up and spice to the program,type. I'll happily take 10yd broadsides all day and every day,but it's hardly daunting to be tooled in accords,to connect the most dots. Light done right and handy/dandy trumps all,if only because I've got 'em all............ Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."

Re: Small rant, sure most can relate battue #9151873 09/04/14
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rcamuglia Campfire Outfitter Joined: Jun 2011 Posts: 10,819	My point is that if you're not capable of both, you are an incomplete hunter. Kinda like Sporting. If you get to a teal station and can't hit teal, you have a hole in your game. I've called elk in so close I could have killed them with an axe. Originally Posted by Bristoe The people wringing their hands over Trump's rhetoric don't know what time it is in America.

Re: Small rant, sure most can relate Big Stick #9151892 09/04/14
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battue Campfire Ranger B Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 20,809 outside the burgh	Agree. However, when it comes to the LR group it is rare for them to mention they spotted the game at x yards and then moved up to x-y yards because they could. It's their game and the great ones are just that. Most have a hard time accepting that some can do things they can't, so they think most should do what they can. laissez les bons temps rouler

Re: Small rant, sure most can relate rcamuglia #9151897 09/04/14
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battue Campfire Ranger B Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 20,809 outside the burgh	Originally Posted by rcamuglia My point is that if you're not capable of both, you are an incomplete hunter. Kinda like Sporting. If you get to a teal station and can't hit teal, you have a hole in your game. I've called elk in so close I could have killed them with an axe. I can hit teal until they get too far away. For me. Last edited by battue; 09/04/14. laissez les bons temps rouler

Re: Small rant, sure most can relate rcamuglia #9151927 09/04/14
Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 35,900 B BobinNH Campfire 'Bwana
BobinNH Campfire 'Bwana B Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 35,900	Originally Posted by rcamuglia My point is that if you're not capable of both, you are an incomplete hunter. ... I really don't know about that....you may be an incomplete shooter. But not an incomplete hunter. BTW I have mentioned this before, but I shot with John Burns in Wyoming. He clearly knows what he is doing at distance,and is one of the very few people I have personally met who was capable at great distance. His kill record at the 1000 yard marker does not surprise me. I killed a great mule deer after he left;after shooting with him to 1300 yards, the 340 yard shot seemed like a sneeze. Last edited by BobinNH; 09/04/14. The 280 Remington is overbore. The 7 Rem Mag is over bore.

Re: Small rant, sure most can relate battue #9151973 09/04/14
Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 58,372 Paradise,Alaska Big Stick Campfire Kahuna
Big Stick Campfire Kahuna Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 58,372 Paradise,Alaska	Shooting/hitting POA/POI correlations is the easiest part of any/all HUnts. If it isn't,you've dropped alotta balls along the way. I get a kick out of The LR Crowd and their Distant Dinks................(grin) Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."

Re: Small rant, sure most can relate BobinNH #9152017 09/04/14
Joined: Jun 2011 Posts: 10,819 rcamuglia Campfire Outfitter
rcamuglia Campfire Outfitter Joined: Jun 2011 Posts: 10,819	Originally Posted by BobinNH Originally Posted by rcamuglia My point is that if you're not capable of both, you are an incomplete hunter. ... I really don't know about that....you may be an incomplete shooter. But not an incomplete hunter. Jeez, do we have to dredge up that thread again? LOL Originally Posted by Bristoe The people wringing their hands over Trump's rhetoric don't know what time it is in America.

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