Awesome! That's alotta Whinin' in a very short time! The Excuses were quaint to. Congratulations?!?
Glad you liked.
Only you will be "surprised" to learn,that I've never not helped them who ask for it. I gave you etched in stone facts,upon a silver platter and you cain't even know it...which is again,why it is soooooooo [bleep] funny! Read it all again. Hint.
You gave me advice about scope rings. On this thread you have had nothing but smartass comments to make. Everything is funny or hilarious to you. But then again its like that with Morons.
As mentioned prior,shut the [bleep] up,slow the [bleep] down,take notes and apply same. Hint.
What a condescending Moron you are to tell anyone to shut up. You are the one that should shut up but you cant see that.
Hilarious to me,that you are under the opinion that anyone could make you appear to be the amazingly inept dumbfhuqq you are,better than you can...by your simply doing your "best". Read that again. Hint.
Once again everything is Hilarious to you. But Morons dont realize they are Morons. Including you.
I'm simply afforded the luxury of not being forced to guess and ain't it poignantly poetic,that them facts fly over your pointy head and grant you the opportunity to showcase your Imagination and Pretend? Might I suggest that you interject some Secret Squirrel PM's,so as to REALLY make a "stand" and tug at heart strings. Laffin'!
No need for secret PM's ,I said in public what I think of you. I dont like you.I think you are a condescending smartass , A legend in your own mind who plays tough guy to get attention. As far as I am concerned if you were not on the Campfire it would be for the better.
You "lucky" bastard,you don't even have to play dumb...if only because it's a birthright and you've that unfair "advantage" to flaunt and wield without mercy.
So I am a Bastard? Since you want to go there,Have you figured out yet which one of your Uncles is REALLY your Daddy?
Laffin'!
Laff Laff Laff Moron.
Looking forward to your next Whine and even more Excuses,as you reflect in the sweet "satisfactions" that must be your's,of basking in the "sanctity" of 40yrs of sheer and utter [bleep] cluelessness.
No Whining,No exuses,Just comments on your stupid way of addressing people who ask questions.
Just take your meds,get drunk again and tell yourself that your ok. Youre really not though.
Bless your heart.
Blessing from you ? Yea I bet you really do think you have that kind of power or influence. If your meds arent working(and obviously they aren,t)Try something different.
I should add that, if you are actually serious about LR hunting, the best money you'll ever spend is for John Burn's "How to Shoot" DVD series. Its 8-9hr but all great stuff.
I would like some Input on the the questions I originally posted.
Thanks Craig
I would by a donor action and have it rebarreled, the aftermarket barrels don't foul as much.
With the best factory ammo after trying about a dozen different loads not tuned to your rifle, I would expect a 5 shot group at 700 yards to measure about 15" if the wind was not gusting.
If you ponder what has been said on this thread and decide to load your own choose a caliber that Lapua makes brass for.
Awesome! That's alotta Whinin' in a very short time! The Excuses were quaint to. Congratulations?!?
Glad you liked.
Only you will be "surprised" to learn,that I've never not helped them who ask for it. I gave you etched in stone facts,upon a silver platter and you cain't even know it...which is again,why it is soooooooo [bleep] funny! Read it all again. Hint.
You gave me advice about scope rings. On this thread you have had nothing but smartass comments to make. Everything is funny or hilarious to you. But then again its like that with Morons.
As mentioned prior,shut the [bleep] up,slow the [bleep] down,take notes and apply same. Hint.
What a condescending Moron you are to tell anyone to shut up. You are the one that should shut up but you cant see that.
Hilarious to me,that you are under the opinion that anyone could make you appear to be the amazingly inept dumbfhuqq you are,better than you can...by your simply doing your "best". Read that again. Hint.
Once again everything is Hilarious to you. But Morons dont realize they are Morons. Including you.
I'm simply afforded the luxury of not being forced to guess and ain't it poignantly poetic,that them facts fly over your pointy head and grant you the opportunity to showcase your Imagination and Pretend? Might I suggest that you interject some Secret Squirrel PM's,so as to REALLY make a "stand" and tug at heart strings. Laffin'!
No need for secret PM's ,I said in public what I think of you. I dont like you.I think you are a condescending smartass , A legend in your own mind who plays tough guy to get attention. As far as I am concerned if you were not on the Campfire it would be for the better.
You "lucky" bastard,you don't even have to play dumb...if only because it's a birthright and you've that unfair "advantage" to flaunt and wield without mercy.
So I am a Bastard? Since you want to go there,Have you figured out yet which one of your Uncles is REALLY your Daddy?
Laffin'!
Laff Laff Laff Moron.
Looking forward to your next Whine and even more Excuses,as you reflect in the sweet "satisfactions" that must be your's,of basking in the "sanctity" of 40yrs of sheer and utter [bleep] cluelessness.
No Whining,No exuses,Just comments on your stupid way of addressing people who ask questions.
Just take your meds,get drunk again and tell yourself that your ok. Youre really not though.
Bless your heart.
Blessing from you ? Yea I bet you really do think you have that kind of power or influence. If your meds arent working(and obviously they aren,t)Try something different.
The man may be a bit crass.... but he ain't wrong Craig.
I'll interpret for you...
The most important thing in this whole equation is not the rifle... it's the bullet, and all things pertaining to its hasty departure. Many rifles, factory '06s and 7 Rems, are fully capable of pounding stuff at far beyond 700 yards. The things they most often have in common.... are the bullet(s) chosen.... and a well seasoned nut behind the trigger.
Going factory rounds, hamstrings your bullet/load options severely from the start... and you leave not only accuracy... but consistency on the table. You're also far less likely to shoot enough to season said nut.... cause it costs too much. If you're ok with that.... so be it.... but it's a tough 700 yard row to hoe.
Either the '06 or the 7mm in a semi-custom or SPS LR are good choices for long range play (the 7 being far superior IME) per se..... it's the factory ammo choice that kinks us again...
7 bills isn't that tough... provided rifle, glass, and bullets are sound. The tough part is bringing all that together.... there in lies work. So, buying/building a rifle for LR work.... then feeding it sub-par factory ammo..... is like buying a brand new Ferrari... and filling it with 83 octane fuel. Then to top it off.... you'll probably bytch about 'performance'.
If ya gotta go factory fodder, there's really only two choices for a 1/2 mile gun.... .308 and 6.5 Creed.
To answer your original question. I'd go 7 Rem SPS LR... and hope the HSM 168 Berger ammo shot well out of it..... but you'd better cross your fingers.
You better pray to the God of Skinny Punks that this wind doesn't pick up......
I would like some Input on the the questions I originally posted.
Thanks Craig
I would by a donor action and have it rebarreled, the aftermarket barrels don't foul as much.
With the best factory ammo after trying about a dozen different loads not tuned to your rifle, I would expect a 5 shot group at 700 yards to measure about 15" if the wind was not gusting.
If you ponder what has been said on this thread and decide to load your own choose a caliber that Lapua makes brass for.
Awesome! That's alotta Whinin' in a very short time! The Excuses were quaint to. Congratulations?!?
Glad you liked.
Only you will be "surprised" to learn,that I've never not helped them who ask for it. I gave you etched in stone facts,upon a silver platter and you cain't even know it...which is again,why it is soooooooo [bleep] funny! Read it all again. Hint.
You gave me advice about scope rings. On this thread you have had nothing but smartass comments to make. Everything is funny or hilarious to you. But then again its like that with Morons.
As mentioned prior,shut the [bleep] up,slow the [bleep] down,take notes and apply same. Hint.
What a condescending Moron you are to tell anyone to shut up. You are the one that should shut up but you cant see that.
Hilarious to me,that you are under the opinion that anyone could make you appear to be the amazingly inept dumbfhuqq you are,better than you can...by your simply doing your "best". Read that again. Hint.
Once again everything is Hilarious to you. But Morons dont realize they are Morons. Including you.
I'm simply afforded the luxury of not being forced to guess and ain't it poignantly poetic,that them facts fly over your pointy head and grant you the opportunity to showcase your Imagination and Pretend? Might I suggest that you interject some Secret Squirrel PM's,so as to REALLY make a "stand" and tug at heart strings. Laffin'!
No need for secret PM's ,I said in public what I think of you. I dont like you.I think you are a condescending smartass , A legend in your own mind who plays tough guy to get attention. As far as I am concerned if you were not on the Campfire it would be for the better.
You "lucky" bastard,you don't even have to play dumb...if only because it's a birthright and you've that unfair "advantage" to flaunt and wield without mercy.
So I am a Bastard? Since you want to go there,Have you figured out yet which one of your Uncles is REALLY your Daddy?
Laffin'!
Laff Laff Laff Moron.
Looking forward to your next Whine and even more Excuses,as you reflect in the sweet "satisfactions" that must be your's,of basking in the "sanctity" of 40yrs of sheer and utter [bleep] cluelessness.
No Whining,No exuses,Just comments on your stupid way of addressing people who ask questions.
Just take your meds,get drunk again and tell yourself that your ok. Youre really not though.
Bless your heart.
Blessing from you ? Yea I bet you really do think you have that kind of power or influence. If your meds arent working(and obviously they aren,t)Try something different.
The man may be a bit crass.... but he ain't wrong Craig.
I'll interpret for you...
The most important thing in this whole equation is not the rifle... it's the bullet, and all things pertaining to its hasty departure. Many rifles, factory '06s and 7 Rems, are fully capable of pounding stuff at far beyond 700 yards. The things they most often have in common.... are the bullet(s) chosen.... and a well seasoned nut behind the trigger.
Going factory rounds, hamstrings your bullet/load options severely from the start... and you leave not only accuracy... but consistency on the table. You're also far less likely to shoot enough to season said nut.... cause it costs too much. If you're ok with that.... so be it.... but it's a tough 700 yard row to hoe.
Either the '06 or the 7mm in a semi-custom or SPS LR are good choices for long range play (the 7 being far superior IME) per se..... it's the factory ammo choice that kinks us again...
7 bills isn't that tough... provided rifle, glass, and bullets are sound. The tough part is bringing all that together.... there in lies work. So, buying/building a rifle for LR work.... then feeding it sub-par factory ammo..... is like buying a brand new Ferrari... and filling it with 83 octane fuel. Then to top it off.... you'll probably bytch about 'performance'.
If ya gotta go factory fodder, there's really only two choices for a 1/2 mile gun.... .308 and 6.5 Creed.
To answer your original question. I'd go 7 Rem SPS LR... and hope the HSM 168 Berger ammo shot well out of it..... but you'd better cross your fingers.
Thanks for your input Yes the 7 Rem Mag sure outdoes as far as bullet drop and wind drift go. And that would be fine as in my area 243,7mm rem mag and 30-06 are availble any time.And that is important to me as often I cant find places that have the ammo I want online. At least I can find loads like Winchester Ballistic Silvertip and the Hornady SST Superformance in my area. I intend to get a box of several different Premium loads to try for accuracy. In any of the calibers it appears that the Federal premiums,Winchester Ballistic Silvertips or the Hornady SST Superformance,HSM etc would be good starting points for both accuracy and Terminal Performance.And I can find all of them save the HSM in my area. I will just have to try a Box of several types to find what shoots best in the rifle. As far as scopes go I am sure its not the best but I do have a Leupold VX1 4-12x40 with the Longrange Duplex that I could use right now without having to buy another scope . And that works for me as I hunt Mostly at the edge of agri field where i might get a sub 50 yard shot or a longer shot out to the ranges I spoke of (about 700 yards).
Regardless I Thank you for your courteous reply and advice.
You're going to need a different scope for 700 yard shooting. If you want to use the scope you have, then this discussion is moot, as you'll be limited to about 500-600 yards using the LRD, depending on your chosen zero range.
Your best bet is going to be a .308, but if you insist on one of the others mentioned, then the 7RM would be about as good as you can get, given the limitations you've chosen to put in place.
You're going to need a different scope for 700 yard shooting. If you want to use the scope you have, then this discussion is moot, as you'll be limited to about 500-600 yards using the LRD, depending on your chosen zero range.
What about using a 10 or 20 degree scope base ?And or Burris Signatures ,or just shim the scope base. Wouldn,t that do it?
Your best bet is going to be a .308, but if you insist on one of the others mentioned, then the 7RM would be about as good as you can get, given the limitations you've chosen to put in place.
Ain't it a fascinating constant,that the only [bleep] time you are correct,is when you are quoting me?!? Lemme letcha' in on a little "secret",in that I knowed I was right,before I typed it. Hint.
Really enjoying your "brandishing" 40yrs of "experience" as a Trump Card and frosting it,by mentioning time and again how you "don't care". Laffin'! I'm crying I'm laughing sooooooooooo [bleep] hard!
When you shoot your Imagination,just how "loud" is it to you?!?
Wow +P+!
Ocean',
Upon reflecting upon 100's of OEM spouts,you can take 'er to the bank,that S/S will foul less than CM offerings.
Add moly and there ain't no concerns at all,in them regards. I've got all them T-shirts and then some. Understatement.
Factory Fodder is amongst the last means I'd use to quantify the integrity of a platform's merit,in all but a coupla chamberings. 'Course the OP ain't within lightyears of them,due her 40 years of vast "experience".
Poor [bleep] is sooooooooooo Stupid,it almost ain't even funny.
Almost.(grin)
'shooter,
I hear good thangs about the impetus of boolits,myself.(grin)
Jordan,
She's gonna need lotsa schit,which are all beyond her means,abilities and comprehension(in no particular order). But them constants,do prolly add more than just a leetle...to the [bleep] humor.(grin)
It's never not entertaining,to watch a stupid [bleep] do stupid schit,after being shown the cause and effect of same. She's in a hurry to make a "stand" and be a "trend setter",in her haste to take Stupidity to places it's never been before.
Then the dumb kchunt Whines and makes Excuses,that 40 years of being a clueless dumbfhuqq is somehow someone else's "fault" and all that is gonna "change",with a Magical Rifle and a Magical Box of Factory Ammo.
EPIC [bleep] humor +P+!!!!
'Course when it's all said and done,there's gonna have been a [bleep] of a lot more said...than done. Not that the Clueless Chronicles ain't a rollickin' good read and funnier than [bleep].
Oh now don't go slighting the magnitude of your Hissy Fit,as it's been rather splendid...if only in fairness. I'll feign my "surprise",that you frost your Vagina Monolgue with the "dreaded" take all your marbles and run home ploy. Most excellent! What next? Imaginary Pretend Ignore?!? Laffin'!
I stated simplistic facts,that sailed over your pointy-head and you alone are taken aback,that you are too stupid to the connect dots served on a silver platter. 'Course you had the unfair "advantage" of 40 years of Dumbfhuqqtitude,to "rely" upon. Laffin'!
Fascinating,that you think that letting Clueless Kchunts wallow in the mire of their incredible ineptitude,ain't both fun and educational. Or perhaps your Imagination and Pretend are grand enough,to grant you the delusion that due your 40 years of "experience"...you are doing "great"?!? I soooooooooo [bleep] hope so,as that'd ratchet the Humor Quotient up even another notch. Laffin'!
Good talk and great "stand".
Bless your heart.
Laffin'!
MCH,
She's playing hard to get.
Laffin'!
Tanner,
Facts is indeed the most sound of foundations,from which to build upon.
A guy can make it as easy as he wants,though I do enjoys the OP's "trend setting" ways,as she obliviously schleps her stupidity and bears the "fruits" of them "satisfactions". Hell...she almost shot something,once. Laffin'!
Funny schit!
'diddle,
She can't even find a first [bleep] clue and is simply flaunting her Imagination and Pretend.
Not trying to be an ass but slowing down would be a good thing for you. As you said yourself the vx1 4-12x40 with LR reticle probably wouldn't be the best thing for shooting 700 yards. If your going to start shooting deer that far then slow down and spend the money to get the right equipment UP FRONT. Paper dies the easiest and rocks don't run very far if missed or wounded so if that's what you will be shooting then bang away with either of what your looking at getting. but I bet if you shoot enough you will be re investing and trying to do it right and then you've just waisted a lot (that's a relative statement for some) of money and more time. I'm not saying that it can't be done out to 700 yards with factory tubes and bullets but I can assure you it's not the best way to go. Good luck
There's much to be said,for keeping the pony in front of the cart.(grin)
Now I'd be the last to malign OEM spouts,mainly because I've been around 100's of 'em that were rather exceptional. Why were they so sound?!? Because they were surrounded by good triggers,good bedding,good stocks,good bases,good rings,good scopes and were fed ammo geared expressly for 'em,of the profile and integrity to reliably connect dots. Nothing was left to chance and when there's no chance..."luck" grows in non-lineal fashion. Hint. Hell...I might could even be a proponent of Test Driving an OEM spout,then punching it out to AI or other,so as to really reap some nice benefits. Re-Hint.
Conjoin same with obscene round counts and a guy can learn a couple/few thangs. Re-Re-Hint.
I asked her which "Magical" Factory Load she's gonna Pretend to use and she gave that the widest of berths. I asked which LRF and she dodged that one too. Also asked which glass and that were side-stepped. Then asked for the particulars on her current 440yd Marvel and then she said "[bleep] it" and really went to throwing a Hissy Fit. Thinkin' now she's red assed,because her Imagination is unable to make her Pretend real. Now the only move she's got,is Imaginary Pretend Ignore and the feeble HOPE that noone bumps the works to the top,as a means of keeping the humor rollin'. Laffin'!
Ain't it a right proper Dichotomy,how 40yrs of amazingly sloooooooooooow [bleep] "learning",just ain't enough "experience" to arrange a first [bleep] clue?!? Though in fairness,it's more than ample time to become exceedingly proficient at crafting Excuses,brewing Whine and flaunting a right proper Hissy Fit. Imagination and Pretend is all some folks got and it's never not hilarious,to be privvy to it's unfolding via heartfelt Vagina Monologue and always ends the same way. People crack me the [bleep] up!
Anywhoo,there's a goodly smattering of ready to roll rifles/chamberings,that'll reliably do very tidy thangs right outta da gate,yet curiously she cain't want anything to do with 'em...again due her 40yrs of "experience". Stupidity IS the gift that keeps on giving. Laffin'!
A guy makes his own "luck" and she wonders aloud,why she's been devoid same for 4 decades and wishes to continue schlepping Stupidity under the auspice,that Imagination and Pretend will do "Magical" things for her.
Fortunately for her,she's got herself convinced that nothing is something...so she'll get her way.
If your not going to be turning knobs, take a look at the Zeiss Conquest with Rapid Z 800 reticle, I personally prefer their Rapid Z 600. After you find your best load you can sync. the scope at 300 or 400 yards by adjusting the power ring until your 200 yard zeroed bullets fall into the proper place on the target using the horizontals in the reticle. You may want to cut a small notch across the power ring so you can find your mark again quickly.
When you eventually come around to buying your reloading equipment, see if you can find some competition dies.
Thinking about getting a rifle for long range deer and yote killing. Out to Maybe 700 yards or so. Looked at the Remington Long range rifle and it looks like it Might work but I just need some input as to choosing this rifle or would I be better to buy a plain Jane Remington 700 and Rebarrel and restock it?I want to do this right the first time. Without taking a loan on the house ! I am interested in either a 7mm Rem mag But I really like the 30-06 as well. Also need some input on Glass for this purpose. Heres the other thing ,I will be using Factory ammo. I know ,I just dont like to reload anymore !
bcraig, Make this easy. Start at the starting point before running down the road of which rifle, scope, stock, sling, shooting pad, bipod, etc... you're going to invest in.
Even if you're not going to reload, look in the back of a couple good reloading books on the tables for BC's (ballistic coefficients). Look at the tables which show drops, velocities, and which BC's have the best of both. Now, look to see how many factory offerings have bullets with these excellent BC's. That would be your best starting point. Don't limit yourself to 7MM or .308 BC's, even though studying those alone will take you several evenings if you're really paying attention.
Once you've digested that homework, see which factory ammo not only runs those bullets which lend themselves to the long range shooting you're looking for, but also publish velocities, standard deviations for their loads, and length of barrels these were derived from.
That would be a good starting point for your quest, though it won't be your last if you are serious about this venture.
Good luck with your quest. I'm pretty sure you will find this would be much easier if you reloaded, but you may find a way to accomplish your aims with enough money thrown at factory fodder. As long as every box is exactly the same as the one you deduce your criteria from- not likely.
Bob
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