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That's true too!
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Is there any real world difference between these 2 cartridges hunting anything from whitetail to elk?? Thanks!! Yep. One is gay, and the other isn't. yep the 7mm-08 was born Gay . If not the 270 then use the 7x57 which are both real men hunting rounds
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For deer, I'd say the 7-08 would be a bit handier and just as effective. If you're going to hunt elk on a regular basis, a 150 gr. LR AB at 2900 B.C. 635 or a 160 gr. NP at 2800 B.C. 434 would seem to be a bit better, at least if your shots run a bit long. For myself, I would pick the rifle first and worry about what it ate.
Decent bullet + good shot = meat
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If you want SS/syn, there were some Target Grey versions in 7mm-08 for sale on Gunbroker not too long ago.
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I think I'd pick the bullet (a couple) based on needs/uses, then the case to drive it.
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Accurate rifles are not gay. Now accurate rainbow colored rifles, maybe... sez a guy who's kilt game with both catridges...
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sub-200yds?, no. But down range velocity will be better with 270 Ummm. On average, the 7-08 has an advantage in the BC department with hunting bullets of similar weight per caliber so your statement is not true...
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The BC on 7mm projectiles give the 7-08 the edge after 350 yards or so. And the 7-08 burns less powder, and is easier to shoot. You can load it with 120s and it'll shoot a lot like a 243 for those young/small frame shooters. You can also load it with heavier bullets and it'll hit harder, but at longer ranges the 270 will win. I have both, shot deer with both, and like both. Both drop 'em dead in about the same fashion. As a reloader the 7-08 has more options, IMO, and is a little more efficient in the powder department.
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The BC on 7mm projectiles give the 7-08 the edge after 350 yards or so. And the 7-08 burns less powder, and is easier to shoot. You can load it with 120s and it'll shoot a lot like a 243 for those young/small frame shooters. You can also load it with heavier bullets and it'll hit harder, but at longer ranges the 270 will win. I have both, shot deer with both, and like both. Both drop 'em dead in about the same fashion. As a reloader the 7-08 has more options, IMO, and is a little more efficient in the powder department. 7mm-08 has waaaay less recoil than the .270. If terminal performance is the same, choose the cartridge that's easier to shoot. P
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When Ingwe came out the closet did he leave the door open behind him?
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For deer, I'd say the 7-08 would be a bit handier and just as effective. If you're going to hunt elk on a regular basis, a 150 gr. LR AB at 2900 B.C. 635 or a 160 gr. NP at 2800 B.C. 434 would seem to be a bit better, at least if your shots run a bit long. For myself, I would pick the rifle first and worry about what it ate.
Decent bullet + good shot = meat Wow, I'd like to hear what powder you are using to get those velocities!
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sub-200yds?, no. But down range velocity will be better with 270 Ummm. On average, the 7-08 has an advantage in the BC department with hunting bullets of similar weight per caliber so your statement is not true... How so? Bullets of the same weight and form factor will have a better BC in .277 than .284 and the .270 can drive them at least 100fps faster. The difference is small but real. You can of course cherry pick your bullets like the ad men did in the bad old days and come up with the results you desire. The 7-08 does have a number of 175gr. bullets available, but not the powder room to use them to much advantage. None of this is of much importance in the field until you get out so far that you're on the edge of a bullet's sure-expansion velocity window.
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Just combine the best of both! Neck down the brass to 270!
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Check the data on the Nosler website. Also the Hodgdon manual, which gives the 160gr. Partition 2833 over 58gr. of Supreme 780.
Oh, the BC of the 150gr. .277 LRAB is only .625, not .635, compared to .611 for the .284 150.
No biggie, but it is better.
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Don't have info for LRAB,but gonna use the Nosler Ballistic Tip from their reloading manual #7 instead.
.277" .270 130 gr .433 BC at (rounding down to 3100 fps) 200 yd zero.
At 300 yds it's 6.2" low and 2472 fps.
At 400 yds it's 18.2" low and 2281 fps.
.284" 7-08 140 gr .485 BC at (again rounding down to 2900 fps) 200 yd zero.
At 300 yds it's 6.8" low and 2356 fps.
At 400 yds it's 20.4" low and 2190 fps.
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There are three places the .270 is vastly superior to the 7/08:
Walmart ammo shelves.... used gun racks... and gay pride parades. It appears you spend a lot of time at Walmart, gun stores and gay pride parades, not that there is anything wrong with that.
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I just used the LRAB as an example of bullets of equal weights, the same design, and suitable for elk. Your info is probably a better example of what most folks would choose for deer, I think and again shows the old .270 in a pretty good light. Still, I would choose based more on what type of rifle I wanted than on raw ballistics. The 7-08 does make up into a nice handy package, and probably is a better, quieter choice if you want a short barrel, as well as letting you squeeze an extra box of reloads out of a pound of powder, no small thing these days.
BTW, Nosler has a neat ballistic calculator app, for the IOS stuff at least.
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I could've used the 130 gr NP .277" and the .284" 140 gr NP for elk,but the numbers would be the same. A .270 can be had in a handy package also,it's just a personal preference,to what you want to carry. I would use a .270 or a 7x57 long before a 7-08.
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The 270 Win shoots bullets of similar weights about 175fps faster than the 7-08 at the same pressures, barrel length etc etc. I am using a 140g bullet as a common baseline to make that generalisation.
If that is worth the bit of extra action length, weight, powder burned etc then that's good for you.
Either would work for me.
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