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Is there any real world difference between these 2 cartridges hunting anything from whitetail to elk?? Buying a Ruger M77 and trying to decide what I want it chambered in.I don't handload but will in the very near future.In the mean time I have a buddy that has been loading for me.
Thanks!!

sub-200yds?, no. But down range velocity will be better with 270, which would give the 270 the advantage on elk I would think.

Pick your bullet, pick your distance, and then figure the speed it needs at that distance, then you'll have all the info you need to choose your cartridge.

The BC on 7mm projectiles give the 7-08 the edge after 350 yards or so.

You will spend a lifetime trying to discern the difference in real terminal performance between the 7-08 and 270. Both are adequate cartridges for the game you mention. Any difference will be one's subjective preference. Handle both rifles, determine if you prefer a long or short action, and rock on!

Yep.....

You won't see any difference in the killing department.

Yep. One is gay, and the other isn't.

Since you are going to use factory ammo,I'd get the .270. Far more choices in the .270 than a 7-08.

Pandora's box is now open. Keep your arms inside the vehicle at all times and enjoy the ride.......

There are three places the .270 is vastly superior to the 7/08:

Walmart ammo shelves.... used gun racks... and gay pride parades.

I disagree. The 7-08 has many choices as far as ammo goes. As a matter of fact, I just got a Rugger LH Hawkeye that I am trying to decide which round to use in it for Deer and pigs. There are a wide variety of options. Not bashing the 270, but so far I am really impressed with the 7-08's performance.

I was waiting for that! LOL!

I have two 7-08's. I sold my .270. Does this mean I "let go of the rainbow?"

Have a Grafs & Sons catalog and counted up factory offerings for the .270 and 7-08.

Factory choices .270- 40 different loads offered.

Factory choices 7-08- 8 different loads offered.


So,if my math is right there are 5x as many .270 factory loads as there is 7-08.

F u c k me running, why am I always the odd man out. I don't need 517 loads for a [bleep] rifle, I just need one good one.

I would pick the short action simply because it gives you more scope mounting options.

True,but there are plenty of choices.

For both.

Yup.

And that's not even getting into the choices in components for reloading them. That'll drive a sane person nuts!

Very few folks fitting that description here.

That's true too!

yep the 7mm-08 was born Gay . If not the 270 then use the 7x57 which are both real men hunting rounds

.270..

For deer, I'd say the 7-08 would be a bit handier and just as effective. If you're going to hunt elk on a regular basis, a 150 gr. LR AB at 2900 B.C. 635 or a 160 gr. NP at 2800 B.C. 434 would seem to be a bit better, at least if your shots run a bit long. For myself, I would pick the rifle first and worry about what it ate.

Decent bullet + good shot = meat

If you want SS/syn, there were some Target Grey versions in 7mm-08 for sale on Gunbroker not too long ago.

I think I'd pick the bullet (a couple) based on needs/uses, then the case to drive it.

Accurate rifles are not gay.

Now accurate rainbow colored rifles, maybe...



sez a guy who's kilt game with both catridges...

Ummm. On average, the 7-08 has an advantage in the BC department with hunting bullets of similar weight per caliber so your statement is not true...

And the 7-08 burns less powder, and is easier to shoot. You can load it with 120s and it'll shoot a lot like a 243 for those young/small frame shooters. You can also load it with heavier bullets and it'll hit harder, but at longer ranges the 270 will win.

I have both, shot deer with both, and like both. Both drop 'em dead in about the same fashion.

As a reloader the 7-08 has more options, IMO, and is a little more efficient in the powder department.

7mm-08 has waaaay less recoil than the .270. If terminal performance is the same, choose the cartridge that's easier to shoot.


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When Ingwe came out the closet did he leave the door open behind him?

Wow, I'd like to hear what powder you are using to get those velocities!

How so?
Bullets of the same weight and form factor will have a better BC in .277 than .284 and the .270 can drive them at least 100fps faster. The difference is small but real. You can of course cherry pick your bullets like the ad men did in the bad old days and come up with the results you desire. The 7-08 does have a number of 175gr. bullets available, but not the powder room to use them to much advantage.

None of this is of much importance in the field until you get out so far that you're on the edge of a bullet's sure-expansion velocity window.

Just combine the best of both! Neck down the brass to 270!

Check the data on the Nosler website. Also the Hodgdon manual, which gives the 160gr. Partition 2833 over 58gr. of Supreme 780.

Oh, the BC of the 150gr. .277 LRAB is only .625, not .635, compared to .611 for the .284 150.

No biggie, but it is better.

Don't have info for LRAB,but gonna use the Nosler Ballistic Tip from their reloading manual #7 instead.

.277" .270 130 gr .433 BC at (rounding down to 3100 fps) 200 yd zero.

At 300 yds it's 6.2" low and 2472 fps.

At 400 yds it's 18.2" low and 2281 fps.


.284" 7-08 140 gr .485 BC at (again rounding down to 2900 fps) 200 yd zero.

At 300 yds it's 6.8" low and 2356 fps.


At 400 yds it's 20.4" low and 2190 fps.

It appears you spend a lot of time at Walmart, gun stores and gay pride parades, not that there is anything wrong with that.

I just used the LRAB as an example of bullets of equal weights, the same design, and suitable for elk. Your info is probably a better example of what most folks would choose for deer, I think and again shows the old .270 in a pretty good light. Still, I would choose based more on what type of rifle I wanted than on raw ballistics. The 7-08 does make up into a nice handy package, and probably is a better, quieter choice if you want a short barrel, as well as letting you squeeze an extra box of reloads out of a pound of powder, no small thing these days.

BTW, Nosler has a neat ballistic calculator app, for the IOS stuff at least.

I could've used the 130 gr NP .277" and the .284" 140 gr NP for elk,but the numbers would be the same.

A .270 can be had in a handy package also,it's just a personal preference,to what you want to carry. I would use a .270 or a 7x57 long before a 7-08.

The 270 Win shoots bullets of similar weights about 175fps faster than the 7-08 at the same pressures, barrel length etc etc. I am using a 140g bullet as a common baseline to make that generalisation.

If that is worth the bit of extra action length, weight, powder burned etc then that's good for you.

Either would work for me.

Guess the numbers matter now, who'd a thunk it. By that measure throw 260 in the loop.....

Yes! I think I'd prefer that over all of them.

Could it be because you don't own a 7-08?

I gave my Left Hand Tika 7mm-08 to my hunting buddy and built myself a 7x57 on a Left Hand 700 action and Number 3 SS Lilja barrel.

For those that like the 7x57 over the 7mm-08...

What's the reason(s)?

Jason

270. 110 TTSX at 3500 fps...

Correct,never have and never will.

No,the numbers don't matter.

No real reason , 7x57 and 7mm-08 is just like eating a Chocolate doughnut with or without the hole, both are basically the same thing .

luv it!

+1

Smirk!


GWB

Yeah, but what if you're hunting near SanFran........



Got Cammo?

GWB

Except the long action...

I can seat a 160 gr NP out this far in my CZ 550.


And this is what it does.




Here is the rifle.

I've not had one of the three stand tall above the other two..

280 Rem is where it's at

But 7-08 most of the time..

You are absolutely right.

However, at the distances most of us kill stuff, it makes no difference whatsoever, and I think the OP would be better off picking the rifle he likes, more so than whatever chambering happens to be stamped on the barrel.

My 7x57 i built . I have re-bedded the rifle after shooting this group and the group now is just under 1/2 inch at 100 yards with the same load .

You would love either one..
7-08 might have the advantage in that its a short action so lighter rifle and Lighter ammo.

bea, why is the bolt on the wrong side!!! I'll bet it would shoot better if the bolt were on the correct side...

But its a 7x57�thus negating all this small talk of .270s and 7-08s...

I have more Left Hand Rifles than any Sporting Good Store

My old hunting pal was a lefty also.. He had some beautiful left handed rifles... But he also had some right handed rifles with custom left handed stocks, and some were just right handed.. But he started buying in those long ago days when rifles only came in right hand versions.. Nice guns buy the way...

I have used right hand rifles but never really liked them . I would carry a lever any day over a right hand bolt gun

All ya need in TN is a Barrett M468 .270 Short w 12.5- in. Bbl for Whitetail.

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Wait, is this not the anyone using ARs for Hunting thread? This one swore an affidavit it was killed w .270 Roy...Cannon County 2005.

How far are you shooting? I'm more impressed with this $320 Ruger American in 7mm-08 at 100 yards:




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2800fps is a speed I quite happily settle for in my 270 Win with the 160g Partition, so what your load is delivering is much to be admired.

Cut that number in half and you're probably a lot closer to reality, but whatever. Both work out to a long way.

No

We have killed plenty of antelope, deer and elk with 270's. My good friend and his family has used 7mm-08's on plenty of the same.

Now back to fairy dust on pin heads, and splitting fine frog hairs.

Pharmseller,that group was shot at 100 yds.

Bobnob17,that load actually duplicates a .280 Rem 160 gr NP,H-4831 load in the Nosler #7 reloading manual.

There's the answer right there^^^

Cartridge debates are fun. Usually strategies involve identifying a nuance and impute superiority from it. It ain't logical; but then again, cartridge debates are emotional. There's no need for logic in emotional debates.

The reality is there really ain't enough difference between nearly all practical hunting cartridges within reasonable hunting ranges to cause one to lose a minute's sleep.

If a hunter believes only a mega magnum will kill big game, I'm good. After all, this sport is about having fun within Mother Nature's majesty. But the reality is any suitable bullet from and suitable cartridge that stops flow of oxygenated blood to the brain is going to kill an animal. Therefore, a bullet from either a .270 Win or 7MM-08 Rem that destroys an elk's heart and/or lungs is going to kill it. All the hunter has to do it put a bullet where it needs to be. Nothing living defies biology.

I hate to tell the mega magnum fans here this: a 300 Rem Ultra Mag ain't gonna kill any elk any deader than were it killed by a .308 Win provided bullets from either stop oxygenated blood flow.

I don' have a .280 Rem because when I got in the gun buying business I was too damned smart to realize just how good the .280 Rem is. So I bought me what was then the definitive long range elk rifle: a 7MM Rem Mag. Funny how the passage of time has regulated what was once the definitive long range elk rifle to nothing more than a rifle suitable for smallish coyotes and similar pests.

Hell, you read stuff of rifle experts and they'll tell ya straight up what you'll need as minimum to kill an elk, and most .300 magnums don't qualify.

Were I accorded a hunting do-over, I'd buy a .280 Rem and never need another rifle. There ain't nothing on this continent that that it won't kill; however, were I routinely going after mean Alaskan bears, I'd probably want something along the lines of a Marlin .45/70 that's shootin' 400 grain bullets at 2000 FPS, or an 870 with slugs. But the fact is a whole lot of big grizzlies died after being plugged with 7x57's, .303 British rifles, and '06's. So a 175 Partition out of a .280 Rem ought to break both shoulders of the largest bear considering the fact that its penetrative ability is legendary as evidenced by Bell's culling nearly a thousand elephants with a 7x57 using 175 grainers.

I like my 7MM Rem Mag, but in honesty, it ain't better than a properly loaded .280 Rem. And were we to disregard 175 grain .284 bullets, there ain't spittin' difference between the .280 Rem & .270 Win. We could extrapolate this ad infinitum.

It is a hilarious constant,that is always them who "do" and "know" the least,who are the ONLY ones to start "thinking" that everything is the "same".

Boolits matter more than headstamps and should it coddle your SD Fantasies,Bell flung FMJ's...mainly because that's what the [bleep] he had to work with,at that time and place. That being a function of availability who's byproduct was projectile integrity,rather than a mathematical extrapolation of moot designators. Hint. Necessity being the Mother of Invention. Re-Hint.

Starting velocity is but one facet of the Terminal Equation,arrival speed and projectile integrity,being far more KEY in such determinations.

As per always...boolits matter more than headstamps. Hint.

The Terminal Triology is thusly and unwavering in it's constants.

1) Placement
2) Projectile selection
3) Headstamp

Folks who "know" as "much" as you,will ALWAYS be better served in asking questions,rather in giving "answers". Congratulations?!?

Hint.

Just sayin'.

Yesssssssss...you've been led to water.

Thank me later.

Laffin'!






(Addendum: For more Window Lickers)

The only "designator" more [bleep] stupid than SD,is [bleep] "energy"...though it certainly horns Window Lickers up.

Laffin'!

The Paper Hat Brigade is on [bleep] FIRE!

Energy?

BC is better on many .277 caliber bullets of the same weight as a 7mm when it comes to hunting bullets. Like the 140 grain AB BC is .496 in .277 and a BC of .485 in .284 caliber. This difference in BC is splitting of a pretty fine frogs hair of course. Most of the time this is avoided by not offering the same weights in these two calibers or shifting the position of the Ogive to affect BC. That doesn't change the fact that there are more than enough .277 bullets out there for hunting that have a higher BC than the .284 counterpart.

So the theory that the ballistis edge goes to the 7-08 just because it is a 7mm for hunting doesn't really hold water. If a person chooses bullets properly no edge is lost to a 7mm-08 when shooting a .270 Win for hunting situations. Now when it comes to match and target bullets there is no question as to which one offers the best BC's.

Boxer,


Do you really think that a .300 Rem Ultra Mag through an elk's heart is going to kill it deader than a .308 Win through an elk's heart? Is that what you want me to believe? That a .300 Rem Ultra Mag has mystical powers than kills deader than dead?

If you know how animals die, you'd recognize that your "Terminal Trilogy" is thusly nuance designed to disguise lack of merit as appearing intellectual. There is a terminal singularity: put a suitable bullet where it will stop oxygenated blood flow and animals will die. That, my friend, is 100% scientific fact.

Remember that gun and hunting magazines are entertainment. They are not professional journals.

It seems as though you've spent far too much time buying in to a factless theory and now you're willing to throw down in order to defend your posture.

Let me write this again: put a suitable bullet from any suitable cartridge in a big game animal's heart and or lungs, and it will die. Caliber & cartridge, within reason, is immaterial. Stopping oxygenated blood flow is material. You do understand this singular concept, don't you? Or do you need a trilogy to kill animals?

Boxer,

Let me ask you a very simple question: will a .30-30 Win with a suitable bullet (Nosler 170 grain) at reasonable range (150 yards for this cartridge) kill an elk if the bullet stops oxygenated blood flow? I'm just curious if your terminal trilogy thing that you have goin' on prevents some elk from dyin' after their hearts stop pumping oxygenated blood.

This may sound harsh,but,I don't care about energy figures. All it boils down to is shot placement and bullet performance.

We may have had past disagreements, but I will tell you that I couldn't agree with you more right here.

BTW, while I will look at ballistic tables only for trajectories, were I concerned about killing power, Taylor KO Index is the only one I'd use.

Not gonna like this,don't care much for Taylor's KO Index either. Taylor came up KO Index for solids and elephants. For instance a .600 NE with a 900 gr was supposed to "knock out" an elephant for an half hour if the bullet missed the brain. Yeah right! He never meant it to be used for soft-points.

Nope, I'm good with that as well. They only reason for the index is for comparing loads. For instance, there ain't a whole lot separating a 160 .284 Partition from a 175 grain Partition. The index facilitates comparing loads when hand loading.

The only real index that works is dead big game.

Yup,I always did this,match the bullet to the game. Hunting deer,antelope,sheep,caribou etc.. a Sierra Game King/Pro Hunter,Hornady Interlock,Speer Hot core/Mag Tip,Nosler Ballistic Tip will do. For elk,moose,big bears etc.. Nosler Partitions,Swift A-Frames,Barnes X-Bullet will work. Although either group of animals can be killed with the the cup and core or premium bullets.

When I first got in to hunting, the Core-Lokt was the gold standard.

I use Nosler only because I've always used Nosler with the exception of some .270 GameKings, which kill mule deer instantly.

My dad like Hornady.

I agree, any suitable bullet will work. And suitable bullet is personal preference. Some like Nosler. Others like Speer. Still others like Swift. And still others like what they life. If they kill big game, then they're the right bullets

Years ago I saw a training film that differentiated cover & concealment. A 308 Win will shoot through-and-though a cement reinforced cinderblock wall and have enough remaining energy to penetrate a cop's vest.

A .308 Win will shoot through-and-through the front end of a car, including its engine block, and still have enough energy to penetrate a cop's vest.

With the right bullet at reasonable range, a .308 Win will shoot through-and-through a bull elk.

Dead is dead. What stops oxygenated blood flow ain't nowhere near as important as a big game animal's heart ain't pumping oxygenated blood or that its lungs are no longer making oxygenated blood.

They all work,it's just a matter of matching the bullet to the game.

For instance,I finished developing a load for a Springfield 1903 .30-06 and a Leupold 3x. The load is 55.0 grs RL-19,Fed 210 Match and a 220 gr Hornady RN velocity is 2371 fps average. Is this load a for antelope,no,it'll work,but it's more suitable for elk,moose and bear in the brush. Have it sighted in dead on @ 100 yds. This is my back-up rifle for my bear hunt in Arizona this November.

One more thing,we can argue about this bullet or rifle or scope or cartridge etc.. it don't matter,use what you want and go forth and kill critters. The best thing anyone can do is PRACTICE! PRACTICE! PRACTICE!

SloppyPoozy,

Holy [bleep] Dog Schit...your haste to take STUPIDITY to places it's never been before,is simply [bleep] INCREDIBLE,in it's boundless Do Nothing Dumbfhuqqery! Congratulations?!?

Did you really mutter the word "intellectual",while in the throes of your Vagina Monolgue? Then didja' try and quip Taylor's KO Ruse,as frosting on your triple layered Retard Pie? That is THE funniest schit to hit these pages,since Jeff-O drug up and took her mullet elsewhere. THANKS for them laughs and don't feel slighted in the least,that the schit is ONLY [bleep] funny,because you "think" you "know" what in the [bleep] you are guessing about. EPIC humor!

Lemme reiterate some facts,for your pointy head. The Terminal Trilogy(again).

1) Placement
2) Projectile integrity
3) Headstamp

I enjoy that your opening Vagina Monologue involves #3(headstamps),with no mention of (#2) and less any input on (#1). [bleep] funny schit!

Now lemme letcha' in on a little "secret",in that the ONLY time boolits is equal,is when they are setting on a shelf.(hint) Put them in motion and them constants is no longer constants. Read that again. Hint. Laffin'!

Within the realm of Boolitdom,are there a greater percentage of .308" diameter boolits that'll reach a Wapiti's Blood Pumper via 308Win,rather than an Ultra? Assuredly and without doubt. "Why?" you're quivering lips mutter,in full candor. Because speed and rotational velocity do funny schit to boolits,which often ain't funny. Read that again. Hint. Your very lovely Theorum,do not take anything cognizant into account,though it do laude the schit that means the least. In fairness...you can only do the best you can do and your "BEST" is funnier than [bleep]. Bless your heart.

In conjunction with your sheer and utterly clueless Boolit Buffonery,you badly botch placement(#1) and I always enjoy the "Adventures" of you Haybale & Crockett Dumb [bleep],as you wanna hit schit and watch it run off...which is how asphyxiation "works". Kudos there,that was purty [bleep] awesome in and of itself. Laffin'!

Here...lemme fuel your Imagination,if only to bolster your Pretend.in the HOPES that the cat don't get your tongue,nor the couch your kchunt. Laffin'!



While an AED ain't gonna save the victim and I read in the F&S Autopsy Report that there is a fair amount of trauma there,that victim still hit High Gear and peeled the [bleep] out. Read that again. Hint.

Been ALOTTA Critters hit in the heart,that kept Chooglin'. Read that again. Hint.

Been even more Critters hit in the lungs,that kept Chooglin'. Read that again. Hint.

One more time...not all boolits,in like locations,do like things,as per the arrangement of terminal affects. Once a disparity in IMPACT velocity enters the equation,things can/will/do skew wildly and that via the SAME boolit,in the SAME chambering. Read that again. Hint.

Not to burst your bubbles,but I just may have shot a .30cal once. Laffin'! May have arranged some sensational placement and had projectile integrity let me down,as a direct reflection of headstamp. Hint. Hint. Hint. Read that again.

In fairness,I've shot more 300Whizzum,300Winny,300H&H,3-Bee,300Super and 30-378 than even YOUR Imagination could begin to [bleep] grasp. Hint. Read that again. Laffin'!

Adding to them facts,I've yet to zook a monometal boolit,outta anything,regardless of launch or impact velocity or twist rate. Hint. Read that again.

Flipside being,I've zooked more cup/core's outta moderate case capacities to bore sizing relationship,than I care to remember. Hint. Read that again.

Re-flipside being,I've zooked alotta cup/core's outta upper echelon case capacities as relative bore sizing relationships go. Hint. Read that again.

Re-re-flipside being,I've squirted more than a schit ton of subsonic 30cal's,should the spectrum interest your Imagination. Hint. Read that again.

'Course you'd have to live 1000 lifetimes to have shot half as much as I have and do not "think",that fact don't add to the oblivious humor of your pointy-headed escapades formulated by the dElusions of your Imagination and it's Pretend. Laffin'!

Two thumbs up for your right proper Hissy Fit,the way you wove it into your Vagina Monologue,then encapsulated Bell's FMJ's Forays,Taylor's "KO" Goat [bleep] and went right to the heart of the matter,on an "intellectual" basis,less a single muttering in the firsthand. Yes....them puns is [bleep] intended. UPROARIOUSLY EPIC [bleep] humor,fueled solely by the "resolve" of your "knowledge","experience" and it's cumulative "results". Laffin'!

Next you'll try to "talk" about CNS.



Cheer up...I've shot alotta schit in the ear and believe it or not...not everything is the SAME there,either. Hint. Read that again.

Your "index",is simply a reflection of how amazingly little you've actually done and with how very little wares. Yep...that pun be intended too. Congratulations? Laffin'!

PLEASE go The Secret Squirrel PM route,align "all" your assets and really go for the heart,on the next pass.

I'm crying I'm laughing soooooooooo [bleep] hard!!!

WOW +P+!!!

This guy cracks me up! "triple layered Retard pie"!

Every once in a while I will go off about something I really don't even believe, like the awesomeness of the 257 Roberts or some such. Simply because I know his response will be [bleep] hilarious.

Exactly. This is the "Terminal Trilogy" that Boxer is referring to.

"Practice"= placement
"Bullet"= not all of 'em are created equal. (hint)
"They all work"= HEADSTAMP. Some are better than others, but if "they" will fling the adequate boolit at adequate velocity (and in some circumstances real fast can be too fast)you will kill schit if the first and second are performed adequately. Some headstamps are just more efficient than others. (as Boxer would say, HINT).

Practice..take the rifle out and shoot it at varmints ie use it. Shooting rabbit,PD's,coyotes helps when it comes to deer,elk etc...

Bullet... match the bullet to the game. A target,varmint bullet is not intended for big game.

They all work...headstamp..meaningless words and numbers that has nothing to do with killing game. Do you think game animals know or care what headstamp they been killed with?

Boxer,

Does this mean the 243 is better than the 25-06?