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There is more uproar in the world, which happens at regular intervals. Some are flash points that come and go without major consequence, others are the start of something long and bad.
The Ukraine and Syria/Iraq (and throw in Gaza) are problems. Which one is likely to cause the most world turmoil?
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The Ukraine conflict will end when Putin gets what he wants.
The civil war in Syria will likely go on for a very long time but it will stay within their border.
Israel is going to put an end to Hamas in the next couple of weeks.
*** ISIS won't stop their conquest and their vision of a unified Islamic state that encompasses most of the ME.
*** Iran ??? Nukes ??? It's hard to guess what's going to happen there.
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Ukraine.
We do not have the national leadership to simply pay a few of the Oligarchs to remove Putin and solve the problem.
Make no mistake about it, you can buy pretty much anything you want in that part of the world. For a hell of a lot less money than we spent on Iraq we could have bought the same results we have today and none of our people need to have died.
We need to play by their rules, just a little smarter is all. Playing at war without playing smarter than the enemy has brought is mess after mess for the last sixty odd years.
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IMHO, the Syria/Iraq/Iran mess is the more serious. Putin has threatened to undo the Iranian nuke agreement even though Kerry, yesterday, basically gave Iran the green light to keep on enriching uranium. IS, formerly known as ISIS, was kicked out of the rebel coalition in Syria for being too radical, but then went on to take control of a large part of Iraq, including about $500 million in gold. They have been steadily taking town after town, heading to Baghdad, and are growing in strength and numbers. With their funds, they can afford to sponsor attacks anywhere in the world or buy any weapon system. The lack of leadership from the POS and his lackeys mean that there is no coherent strategy (much less a plan) to deal with the growing threat of Islamist terrorists expanding into other countries. These guys don't play by the rules that everyone else does, including the other Muslims. They are more ruthless than Genghis Khan ever thought about being. "Sanctions", as used against other nations, or "international condemnation" won't work on them. At this point in their existence, they don't have the same needs and restrictions that other national groups do, so they don't GAS about trade, banking, human rights, or restraint.
Ed
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the breakdown in law & order here in the US is my greatest fear. those other folks can take care of themselves.
once we decided our borderlines wouldn't be protected, we signed the Nation's death warrant. but, of course, it can be countermanded.
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With this world turmoil I want to know just what the hell Bolivia, Bhutan, Botswana, Ecuador, Sweden, Cameroon, Laos, Djibouti, Jamaica, France, Switzerland, Uganda and Ireland are gonna do about this?! Where the hell is the outrage in those countries?! When are their armies and navies (rowboats, outboard motorboats, et al) going to mobilize?
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Syria is more important to those who control the world because they have to finish up the oil pipeline that the terrorist mysteriously never attack.
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Geopolitically, the Ukraine has the potential for an out of control crisis. Remember Bismarck said a war would ignite Europe over some damned fool thing in the Balkans. Ukraine isn't the Balkans but the scenario's very similar. This one's a lot easier to difuse though. All Putin has to do is step back out of it and the thing fizzles out. And all we (the West) have to do is apply some meaningful sanctions to apply pressure. As to Syria, standard ME east problem that will never go away as long as Israel exists.
A good principle to guide me through life: “This is all I have come to expect, standard lackluster performance. Trust nothing, believe no one and realize it will only get worse…”
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With this world turmoil I want to know just what the hell Bolivia, Bhutan, Botswana, Ecuador, Sweden, Cameroon, Laos, Djibouti, Jamaica, France, Switzerland, Uganda and Ireland are gonna do about this?! Where the hell is the outrage in those countries?! When are their armies and navies (rowboats, outboard motorboats, et al) going to mobilize? Answer is that global turmoil be it Ukraine or Syria will not effect the standard of living or safety in Bhutan, Cameroon, Laos, or most of those other countries, who, BTW refuse to fund a military least it suck funds from the Social give aways.
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I believe the situation involving Ukraine is much more serious for our safety. Russia is going for the whole enchilada, and nothing is standing in her way. Europe is too emasculated and frightened to stand up for itself, and America is run by communists in total sympathy with Putin.
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The Ukraine conflict will end when Putin gets what he wants.
The civil war in Syria will likely go on for a very long time but it will stay within their border.
Israel is going to put an end to Hamas in the next couple of weeks.
*** ISIS won't stop their conquest and their vision of a unified Islamic state that encompasses most of the ME.
*** Iran ??? Nukes ??? It's hard to guess what's going to happen there. I am reading the trilogy by Joel C. Rosenberg. The Twelfth Imam, The Tehran Initiative, and Just about to start Damascus Count Down. With today'y current events and the idiot in the White House These three will keep you awake at night.
The first time I shot myself in the head...
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Hatari,
Are you having nightmares again?
Neither are serious. There is nothing that is any of our business in either country. But then again, you liberal, neocon, RINO's love to intervene every chance you get, driving us closer to a one-world-government and deeper in to slavery.
You've been smokin' some serious chronic if you think we live in a free country. Last ranking I read had us, I believe, 18th most free country in the world.
�If tyranny and oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy.� ***US President James Madison***
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Iran !!!! -- sometime before Obummer leaves office they will have a working nuclear bomb.
"Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure, than to take rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy much nor suffer much" Teddy Roosevelt
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Hatari,
Are you having nightmares again?
Neither are serious. There is nothing that is any of our business in either country. But then again, you liberal, neocon, RINO's love to intervene every chance you get, driving us closer to a one-world-government and deeper in to slavery.
You've been smokin' some serious chronic if you think we live in a free country. Last ranking I read had us, I believe, 18th most free country in the world. Uh, The question was: The Ukraine and Syria/Iraq (and throw in Gaza) are problems. Which one is likely to cause the most world turmoil? Nowhere in that question did I ask of interventionism, One World government, loss of personal freedom, or the potency of Long Beach Chronic. If you want to rant on those topics, start your own thread.
"The Democrat Party looks like Titanic survivors. Partying and celebrating one moment, and huddled in lifeboats freezing the next". Hatari 2017
"Hokey religions and ancient weapons are no match for a good blaster at your side, kid." Han Solo
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Iran !!!! -- sometime before Obummer leaves office they will have a working nuclear bomb. You're wrong. But so what if Iran does have the bomb? Will that scare you? Will you take to sleeping under your bed? Why Pakistan, North Korea, and China have really big nukes. How do you piss without getting your pants wet with all the shaking you're doing? Here's a much needed clue for you: propaganda you're reading is coming from Israel. They want their goyim sheep -that'd be us- to go to war with Iran over a phony bomb issue when the real issue is Israel's monopoly on Middle Eastern nuclear medicine. That way, Israel retains its nuclear medicine monopoly, and if boys are dying in preserving that monopoly, they'll be goyim boys, not Israeli boys. Israeli boys will be on Miami Beach banging goyim coeds 2 at a time while the goyim coeds' brothers are dying in an Iranian desert.
�If tyranny and oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy.� ***US President James Madison***
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Hatari,
Are you having nightmares again?
Neither are serious. There is nothing that is any of our business in either country. But then again, you liberal, neocon, RINO's love to intervene every chance you get, driving us closer to a one-world-government and deeper in to slavery.
You've been smokin' some serious chronic if you think we live in a free country. Last ranking I read had us, I believe, 18th most free country in the world. Uh, The question was: The Ukraine and Syria/Iraq (and throw in Gaza) are problems. Which one is likely to cause the most world turmoil? Nowhere in that question did I ask of interventionism, One World government, loss of personal freedom, or the potency of Long Beach Chronic. If you want to rant on those topics, start your own thread. Implicit throughout your question is pondered interventionism. It's as easy to spot as liberal, neocon, RINO's that graze in great herds upon this fertile forum.
�If tyranny and oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy.� ***US President James Madison***
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The US southern border situation is more serious as destruction of our constitution will render the danger of the other problems moot.
The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time by the blood of patriots and tyrants.
If being stupid allows me to believe in Him, I'd wish to be a retard. Eisenhower and G Washington should be good company.
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Depends on who you are. Ukraine might cause turmoil for Europe and Russia if natural gas supplies are curtailed. Though since the US cranks out tons of NG, we have little to be concerned about relative to the Europeans who rely on Russian NG coming through Ukrainian pipes. Instability in that arena probably is a net benefit to us, just as oil instability benefits the Saudis. Syria is really only relevant to everyone to a small degree for their relatively small oil supplies and global weapons trafficking. Other than that, it's just an issue for Israel and the middle east, unless it escapes their borders. My vote is to sit back, let both events spiral out of control, then sell everyone new stuff in the aftermath, once they've destroyed one another's economies. That's a nice sure way to reap another post WWII US manufacturing boom, in which we're once again the last man standing.
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Ukraine simply because it has super power backing. Gaza will be taken care of and Israel should not move out or surrender any seized grounds. Syria and Iraq are internal squabbles.
As far as the US is concerned, I'd agree the southern invasion and unwillingness of our leaders to enforce law.
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Implicit throughout your question is pondered interventionism. It's as easy to spot as liberal, neocon, RINO's that graze in great herds upon this fertile forum.
Wrong. You are a victim of faulty assumptions. I'm not interested in spending the money, much less the blood to intervene in any of that.
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"Hokey religions and ancient weapons are no match for a good blaster at your side, kid." Han Solo
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