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We should have a Campfire Coyote hunt in Oregon�no prizes so no one gets in trouble, but kill everything in sight and post lotsa pics!
"...the left considers you vermin, and they'll kill you given the chance..." Bristoe
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We should have a Campfire Coyote hunt in Oregon�no prizes so no one gets in trouble, but kill everything in sight and post lotsa pics! Agreed!
Liberalism is a mental disorder that leads to social disease.
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we should have a camp fire hunt in Oregon for eco-terrorist. with prizes!
the consolidation of the states into one vast republic, sure to be aggressive abroad and despotic at home, will be the certain precursor of that ruin which has overwhelmed all those that have preceded. Robert E Lee
~Molɔ̀ːn Labé Skýla~
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Hi
Could we send Duane Freilino, donations? I would kick in some to help with his bills. Could some one do this, maybe set up an account at his bank of some thing? Or just the name of his bank, we could send checks there for him.
jim
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http://www.ktvz.com/news/settlement-ends-se-oregon-coyotekilling-contest/27151616PORTLAND, Ore. (AP) � An animal-rights group and the organizer of an annual coyote-killing contest in southeast Oregon have settled competing lawsuits with an agreement that there will be no more hunting contests. Coyotes are classified as predatory animals under Oregon law, and there are no limits on killing them. Faced with that reality, the Animal Legal Defense Fund sued on the grounds that the contest violated anti-gambling laws. Organizer Duane Freilino said Friday he agreed to the contest-ending settlement because he ran out of money to pay attorneys. Stephen Wells, executive director of the animal-rights group, says the agreement means hundreds of coyotes can live peacefully in the wilderness. Freilino said he started the contest almost a decade ago to increase winter tourism in the sparsely populated region and to help ranchers by reducing coyote numbers before calving season. What a putz! He played their game by their rules and got his butt handed to him. What a surprise! (Not) What would you have done differently? There have to be lawyers who do pro bono work for people like Duane. You'd think. I'd kick in a few bucks for his cause.
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http://www.ktvz.com/news/settlement-ends-se-oregon-coyotekilling-contest/27151616PORTLAND, Ore. (AP) � An animal-rights group and the organizer of an annual coyote-killing contest in southeast Oregon have settled competing lawsuits with an agreement that there will be no more hunting contests. Coyotes are classified as predatory animals under Oregon law, and there are no limits on killing them. Faced with that reality, the Animal Legal Defense Fund sued on the grounds that the contest violated anti-gambling laws. Organizer Duane Freilino said Friday he agreed to the contest-ending settlement because he ran out of money to pay attorneys. Stephen Wells, executive director of the animal-rights group, says the agreement means hundreds of coyotes can live peacefully in the wilderness. Freilino said he started the contest almost a decade ago to increase winter tourism in the sparsely populated region and to help ranchers by reducing coyote numbers before calving season. What a putz! He played their game by their rules and got his butt handed to him. What a surprise! (Not) What would you have done differently? There have to be lawyers who do pro bono work for people like Duane. You'd think. I'd kick in a few bucks for his cause. Barry is a complete idiot. The problem was the guy ran the contest too close to the Oregon gambling statutes. He's now out of the game. Okay, fine. That doesn't bar anyone else from running a "coyote derby" or similar, and they can read the filings by the nut jobs to figure out their line of attack. Steer clear of the gambling regs, and you're good to go.
America needs to understand that our troops are not 'disposable'. Each represents a family; Fathers, Mothers, Sons, Daughters, Cousins, Uncles, Aunts... Our Citizens are our most valuable treasure; we waste far too many.
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Campfire Kahuna
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The gambling statues were not anymore in violation than a rodeo, a car race, golf tournament, or any other contest of skill that pays an entry fee to compete in any event that pays prize money to the winners.
They knew they couldn't win that way.
How they win is by filing motion after motion in the court with their staff of full time attorneys. They bombard YOUR attorney with all the motions for this or that, and he has to legally go through them and respond, and the legal bill you have spirals out of control. They can keep you tied up in court for years.
His attorney said his total legal bill could easily exceed $100-150k.
The pressure was getting to his wife with the mounting bills, threats of violence and lack of support.
I don't judge Duane for giving up the fight.
I do think that he contacted the very organizations he could for help, and got ignored. None of them would help. None. He fought this alone.
Molɔ̀ːn Labé Skýla!
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I don't disagree with your assessment at all. However, if the statute wasn't in question in the first place then there would be no case. They have to at least make a prima facie case to survive a motion to dismiss. That, they did.
I am not judging him at all for his actions (Duane). I'm simply saying what can be done differently.
America needs to understand that our troops are not 'disposable'. Each represents a family; Fathers, Mothers, Sons, Daughters, Cousins, Uncles, Aunts... Our Citizens are our most valuable treasure; we waste far too many.
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The other part of this is NEVER run such an event on your own. Get a few folks together, form a legal entity to run it, make sure that it has liability insurance, proper legal filings protecting the individuals, etc., and have IT run the show. That way the legal entity is on the hook and not you.
America needs to understand that our troops are not 'disposable'. Each represents a family; Fathers, Mothers, Sons, Daughters, Cousins, Uncles, Aunts... Our Citizens are our most valuable treasure; we waste far too many.
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Campfire Kahuna
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I don't disagree with your assessment at all. However, if the statute wasn't in question in the first place then there would be no case. They have to at least make a prima facie case to survive a motion to dismiss. That, they did.
I am not judging him at all for his actions (Duane). I'm simply saying what can be done differently. He could have done that and gotten the case dismissed, but he filed a countersuit because of the threats and stuff. That threw the case into a different realm of legality where he would have been responsible for all their legal costs in the event of losing, and had a larger burden of proof. The environmentalists knew they couldn't win with that reasoning for illegal gambling.... They wanted to break him with legal fees. And they did. That's how they win.
Molɔ̀ːn Labé Skýla!
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That was his mistake, then.
A motion to dismiss might have sufficed. Get that done, then file suit against them or if any further threats continue have charges pressed. One thing at a time.
None of this impacts anyone else from doing things properly, though.
America needs to understand that our troops are not 'disposable'. Each represents a family; Fathers, Mothers, Sons, Daughters, Cousins, Uncles, Aunts... Our Citizens are our most valuable treasure; we waste far too many.
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These radical groups have very deep pockets, way too deep for the average guy to fight, even if he's in the right. The only way is for him to be backed by a group with equally deep pockets and that doesn't happen nearly often enough. A 'loser pays' law would help considerably.
“In a time of deceit telling the truth is a revolutionary act.”
― George Orwell
It's not over when you lose. It's over when you quit.
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Campfire Kahuna
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The other part of this is NEVER run such an event on your own. Get a few folks together, form a legal entity to run it, make sure that it has liability insurance, proper legal filings protecting the individuals, etc., and have IT run the show. That way the legal entity is on the hook and not you. Even then, they will run you out of town.  I have seen the environmentalists run an entire organization out of town with their anti-hunting agenda.
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Campfire Kahuna
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That was his mistake, then.
A motion to dismiss might have sufficed. Get that done, then file suit against them or if any further threats continue have charges pressed. One thing at a time.
None of this impacts anyone else from doing things properly, though. It was his lawyer's mistake.
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Speaking of lawyers,,,, wonder why some of the know it all counselors that like to hunt in OR didn't jump in and take the case pro-bono?
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The other part of this is NEVER run such an event on your own. Get a few folks together, form a legal entity to run it, make sure that it has liability insurance, proper legal filings protecting the individuals, etc., and have IT run the show. That way the legal entity is on the hook and not you. Even then, they will run you out of town. I have seen the environmentalists run an entire organization out of town with their anti-hunting agenda. There are hunter harassment laws in place for exactly that reason. Use them. It works, and has worked in many states.
America needs to understand that our troops are not 'disposable'. Each represents a family; Fathers, Mothers, Sons, Daughters, Cousins, Uncles, Aunts... Our Citizens are our most valuable treasure; we waste far too many.
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That was his mistake, then.
A motion to dismiss might have sufficed. Get that done, then file suit against them or if any further threats continue have charges pressed. One thing at a time.
None of this impacts anyone else from doing things properly, though. It was his lawyer's mistake. Obviously.
America needs to understand that our troops are not 'disposable'. Each represents a family; Fathers, Mothers, Sons, Daughters, Cousins, Uncles, Aunts... Our Citizens are our most valuable treasure; we waste far too many.
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Speaking of lawyers,,,, wonder why some of the know it all counselors that like to hunt in OR didn't jump in and take the case pro-bono? Damned good question.
America needs to understand that our troops are not 'disposable'. Each represents a family; Fathers, Mothers, Sons, Daughters, Cousins, Uncles, Aunts... Our Citizens are our most valuable treasure; we waste far too many.
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Campfire Kahuna
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The other part of this is NEVER run such an event on your own. Get a few folks together, form a legal entity to run it, make sure that it has liability insurance, proper legal filings protecting the individuals, etc., and have IT run the show. That way the legal entity is on the hook and not you. Even then, they will run you out of town. I have seen the environmentalists run an entire organization out of town with their anti-hunting agenda. There are hunter harassment laws in place for exactly that reason. Use them. It works, and has worked in many states. No, I mean they were literally run out of town by the city council. Seriously. http://www.lcsun-news.com/las_cruce...-council-opposes-yearly-predator-hunters
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We should have a Campfire Coyote hunt in Oregon�no prizes so no one gets in trouble, but kill everything in sight and post lotsa pics! I'm in!
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