I�m surprised my employment of �poetical� has generated controversy. I didn�t want to seem discourteous by ignoring the fact and am grateful for Mule Deer for diverting discussion to this thread. I�m in a hurry at the moment, but if necessary, I can check an OED and/or _Garner�s Common Usage_ later.
I would argue that �poetical� was more common and correct earlier in history�say, the 18th-19th centuries--when literature and philosophy were less distinct fields and/or genres. For example, there�s lots of stuff like this published: https://archive.org/details/completepoetical01keat. I assume we�ll not fault Keats for incorrectly employing �poetical,� so I�ll assume the word is as �correct� as �poetic.�
But it is true that �poetical� is seldom used recently; �poetic� would be more typical in most contexts. However, in my original post I expressed an interest in a somewhat archaic type of writing�one that is both thoughtful, big-picture oriented, and attentive to the expressive qualities of language. In this case, I submit that my employment of �poetical� is both �correct� and appropriate, as I�m interested �poetical� writing not just �poetic� writing. (�Poetical� could also be correctly employed today to express some light irony or sarcasm or by someone exercising poetic or poetical licenses�.)
If anyone wants to submit evidence to the contrary, I�m more than happy to listen and learn. I think sometimes our early English teachers impart to us more rigid notions of correctness/incorrectness than are appropriate when talking about grammatical and stylistic choices. There are clear rules and then there are lots of gray territories. Also, language evolves (in better or worser ways) and is doing so particularly these days as new media put pressure on its conventions (texting, emoticons, etc.).
Ella
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I like the word poetical. While it's not an example of a malaprop, it reminds me of Norm Crosby. Does anyone remember him? At any rate, in honour of words ending in 'al', here's...
Ode to a Testicle
The doctor said it's mystical The nurse was ever practical My friends were always cynical I have an extra testicle
In school they called it magical The tailor called it tragical The girls all had a festival I have an extra testicle
The jealous called it minuscule Their thoughts so very clerical It's all extremely medical I have an extra testicle
A few have said it's radical And all have called it laudable It's totally symmetrical I have an extra testicle
I blame political discourse and public officials for some of the butcherification of speechifying. Bush Jr was one of the worst I've seen in my lifetime. My biggest pet peeve: nucular. WTF is nucular? I've heard officials, scholars, pundits, historians use that word. It is 'nuclear'! I'm really anal about proper use of the language. There seems to be more memery of language in the last few decades, that the evolution of language is happening more quickly, and more variations on formerly proper verbiage are becoming acceptable.
And gentlemen of the Campfire now a-bed Shall think themselves accurs'd they were not here, And hold their manhood's cheap while any speaks That waxed poetically upon this day.
-with apologies to W.Shakespeare
"You can lead a man to logic, but you cannot make him think." Joe Harz "Always certain, often right." Keith McCafferty
If I may be analytical, the use of �poetical�, was a systematical dumbing-down of grammatical rules by a historical group of heritical poetical poetesses whose rhetorical grammatical style was of a rather radical etymological / philological persuasion. Irregardless, rather easy peasy simple.
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�I've never met a genius. A genius to me is someone who does well at something he hates. Anybody can do well at something he loves -- it's just a question of finding the subject.�
Well, English is a living language, as opposed to Latin, and also has some of the most convoluted spelling and grammaticalicular rules of any language. There are also endless examples of specialized usage, such as "shall" for "will," which apparently was a product of English upper classes to set them apart from the lower classes.
Then there's local usage. My friend Ron Rau, who used to write some pretty poetical (and often funny) hunting stuff for early Gray's Sporting Journals, grw up in the U.P. of Michigan. He said a lot of the local dropped or added syllables to various words. His primary example was Morial Day, but they made up for the missing syllable with "insect repellement"--perhaps because spending much time outdoors during Morial Day weekend often required quite a bit of repellement.
“Montana seems to me to be what a small boy would think Texas is like from hearing Texans.” John Steinbeck
The problem with the English language is there is no single source for validation other than private sources like say Webster's. Spanish for example is governed by the Royal Academy of Languages and they have been the validating authority for Spanish since the Middle Ages.
A good principle to guide me through life: “This is all I have come to expect, standard lackluster performance. Trust nothing, believe no one and realize it will only get worse…”
I can promise you that 'shall' and 'will' in contract language can cause many an hour of meetings.
That's because the English language evolved. Years ago, in countries where English was taught using the UK model, shall was used as an absolute; will was a probability.
Originally Posted by n8dawg6
can't ... or won't?
Contractions are rarely used in formal writing, but they are phun to use!
Disrespect(ful) used to be a noun or an adverb, but within the past ten or fifteen years has became a verb.
What used to be, "The disrespect he demonstrated was unsettling." has become, "He disrespected me, and that's unsettling."
or, "Don't be so disrespectful!" has become, "Don't disrespect me!"
Someone said "correctness is the servant of understanding," but sometimes correctness is a big deal.
The second comma in the following sentence cost Rogers Communications over a million dollars in a contract dispute:
�The agreement shall continue in force for a period of five years from the date it is made, and thereafter for successive five year terms, unless and until terminated by one year prior notice in writing by either party.�
The introduction to the court�s decision shows the judge had a dry sense of humor.
Well, there might be health issues involved. Just got done reading an interesting book, TEACHING AND HUNTING IN EAST AFRICA, by Dan McNickle, an American who spent four years in Tanzania in the early 1960's. Among other things he taught English to black Africans, and found it very difficult because our language is so arbitrary both in spelling and grammar.
At the end of the book he states that citizens of the U.S. and Britain have more heart attacks than those of Germany, Italy Japan and Mexico. Studies have attempted to trace this tendency to diet, but have failed to find any firm reason. As a result, McNickle suggests we have more heart attacks because we speak English.
“Montana seems to me to be what a small boy would think Texas is like from hearing Texans.” John Steinbeck
"At the end of the book he states that citizens of the U.S. and Britain have more heart attacks than those of Germany, Italy Japan and Mexico. Studies have attempted to trace this tendency to diet, but have failed to find any firm reason. As a result, McNickle suggests we have more heart attacks because we speak English"
Post hoc, ergo propter hoc.
Hunt with Class and Classics
Religion: A founder of The Church of Spray and Pray
Acquit v. t. To render a judgment in a murder case in San Francisco... EQUAL, adj. As bad as something else. Ambrose Bierce “The Devil's Dictionary”
A previous employer regularly bought product from India. Usually they'd send me an email saying hello & thank you, asking for a detailed specification, and concluding, "please do the needful". I always wondered if that phrase was the product of a translation program, or just how they were taught.
Commas:
"My greatest inspirations in life are my parents, the Pope, and Mother Teresa."
"My greatest inspirations in life are my parents, the Pope and Mother Teresa."
It seems that the addition of unnecessary syllables has become a mark of intelligence and sophistication.
Another mark of intelligence and sophistication is the use of "more educated-sounding" words in place of what is correct. The most glaring example in the shooting world is the use of "velocity" when "speed" is what is being discussed.
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Happily Trapped In the Past (Thanks, Joe)
Not only a less than minimally educated person, but stupid and out of touch as well.
Anybody who seriously concerns themselves with the adequacy of a Big 7mm for anything we hunt here short of brown bear, is a dufus. They are mostly making shidt up. Crunch! Nite-nite!
Another mark of intelligence and sophistication is the use of "more educated-sounding" words in place of what is correct.
During my working life I used to write a lot of reports relating to traffic engineering matters. My boss had a disturbing habit of changing out some of my writing because he said my language "wasn't technical enough."
I always thought he suffered from feelings of inadequacy.
I like the word poetical. While it's not an example of a malaprop, it reminds me of Norm Crosby. Does anyone remember him? At any rate, in honour of words ending in 'al', here's...
Ode to a Testicle
The doctor said it's mystical The nurse was ever practical My friends were always cynical I have an extra testicle
In school they called it magical The tailor called it tragical The girls all had a festival I have an extra testicle
The jealous called it minuscule Their thoughts so very clerical It's all extremely medical I have an extra testicle
A few have said it's radical And all have called it laudable It's totally symmetrical I have an extra testicle
If I may be analytical, the use of �poetical�, was a systematical dumbing-down of grammatical rules by a historical group of heritical poetical poetesses whose rhetorical grammatical style was of a rather radical etymological / philological persuasion. Irregardless, rather easy peasy simple.
I stopped using the word "irregardless".....it confused folks........
Casey
Casey
Not being married to any particular political party sure makes it a lot easier to look at the world more objectively... Having said that, MAGA.
I like the word poetical. While it's not an example of a malaprop, it reminds me of Norm Crosby. Does anyone remember him? At any rate, in honour of words ending in 'al', here's...
Ode to a Testicle
The doctor said it's mystical The nurse was ever practical My friends were always cynical I have an extra testicle
In school they called it magical The tailor called it tragical The girls all had a festival I have an extra testicle
The jealous called it minuscule Their thoughts so very clerical It's all extremely medical I have an extra testicle
A few have said it's radical And all have called it laudable It's totally symmetrical I have an extra testicle
Stephen Redgwell - 1998
Stephen, that is,.................comical.
Thank you.
I'll leave you with this short bit. For those who are unfamiliar with the form, it is a type of nonsense verse. Like George Bush, you too can make use of 'the Google'.
Odd Rhyming Thing
Carlos Montana Whisker Willy Skye Beat bongo banjo Tremolo guy
Ken Tucket monkey Bye Barney Bye Tuck naked junket Collapsing my thigh
Sill Silly Silly-est Bodacious fine pluck Sam's six inch sinker Sam's six inch duck
I like the word poetical. While it's not an example of a malaprop, it reminds me of Norm Crosby. Does anyone remember him? At any rate, in honour of words ending in 'al', here's...
Ode to a Testicle
The doctor said it's mystical The nurse was ever practical My friends were always cynical I have an extra testicle
In school they called it magical The tailor called it tragical The girls all had a festival I have an extra testicle
The jealous called it minuscule Their thoughts so very clerical It's all extremely medical I have an extra testicle
A few have said it's radical And all have called it laudable It's totally symmetrical I have an extra testicle
Stephen Redgwell - 1998
Stephen, that is,.................comical.
Thank you.
I'll leave you with this short bit. For those who are unfamiliar with the form, it is a type of nonsense verse. Like George Bush, you too can make use of 'the Google'.
Odd Rhyming Thing
Carlos Montana Whisker Willy Skye Beat bongo banjo Tremolo guy
Ken Tucket monkey Bye Barney Bye Tuck naked junket Collapsing my thigh
Sill Silly Silly-est Bodacious fine pluck Sam's six inch sinker Sam's six inch duck
- Stephen Redgwell
It would have been more appropriate for a poetical outdoor writer to have incorporated "reticle" into the Extra Testicle poem.
I had Leupold change my reticle To mo' better hit that animal It's all so hypothetical I have an extra testicle
Originally Posted by Bristoe
The people wringing their hands over Trump's rhetoric don't know what time it is in America.
I certainly enjoyed this thread. Personally, I miss the days when the last page of outdoor magazines was reserved for 750 to 1000 words of light hearted reading. Demand for this is gone now, but the pendulum will swing back one day. Or at least, I'm hopeful that it will.
Gene Hill, Pat McManus and others used to make me smile. They were just as important as O'Connor, Keith or Warren Page. I realized very early that while articles about hunting or new rifles were necessary, they were only part of the outdoor experience. Fellowship, friends and fun were more important than the latest gear or filling the tag.
I do agree with John's assessment of today's hunting crowd. They are urban, more affluent, but with less time to spend chasing animals. As a result, gimmicks, gizmos and glitter get more coverage. Sadly, the simpler times are gone. $1000 hunting outfits, fancy Jeeps and trucks outfitted with laser rangefinders, GPSes, cellphones, etc. are part of the modern hunting scene now.
Like everyone else, I am the product of my generation.
When poetical writers of yore Wrote hunting stories (and more), We laughed and we cried Now they're shunted aside, And we yearn for what charmed us before.
"You can lead a man to logic, but you cannot make him think." Joe Harz "Always certain, often right." Keith McCafferty
I certainly enjoyed this thread. Personally, I miss the days when the last page of outdoor magazines was reserved for 750 to 1000 words of light hearted reading. Demand for this is gone now, but the pendulum will swing back one day. Or at least, I'm hopeful that it will.
Gene Hill, Pat McManus and others used to make me smile. They were just as important as O'Connor, Keith or Warren Page. I realized very early that while articles about hunting or new rifles were necessary, they were only part of the outdoor experience. Fellowship, friends and fun were more important than the latest gear or filling the tag.
I do agree with John's assessment of today's hunting crowd. They are urban, more affluent, but with less time to spend chasing animals. As a result, gimmicks, gizmos and glitter get more coverage. Sadly, the simpler times are gone. $1000 hunting outfits, fancy Jeeps and trucks outfitted with laser rangefinders, GPSes, cellphones, etc. are part of the modern hunting scene now.
Like everyone else, I am the product of my generation.
A source of my major concern Is the absence of a McManus or Zern No longer do my eyes delight at their lies of monster moose and giant walleyes
Hunt with Class and Classics
Religion: A founder of The Church of Spray and Pray
Acquit v. t. To render a judgment in a murder case in San Francisco... EQUAL, adj. As bad as something else. Ambrose Bierce “The Devil's Dictionary”
Irregardless is recognized by some dictionaries as a non-standard word. The nice way of saying its in common use, but isn't really a word�.
I've had this argument before--it's a legitimate word!
Sheesh, Casey
OK, but what is it supposed to mean?????????????
Regardless!
Irregardless just has a useless extra syllable I suppose.
Enough to confuse folks though....
Casey
Amazing!
It's a well established convention in the English language that adding a prefix of 'ir' changes a word to it's opposite meaning. Now - apparently - some dictionary says that 'irregardless' means the same as 'regardless'.
The implications are mind-boggling. By the same token, can we now take it, for example, that 'irregular' means the same as 'regular', and 'irreversible' means the same as 'reversible'?
If this sort of butchering of English continues long enough it will become impossible to understand what the writer/speaker actually means!
Steve, I really appreciate it,.... but are you alright?
I'm just fine.
I kept hearing voices earlier, but realized I had an amateur radio net on in the background. Someone reported having an injured squirrel in their possession, but could not reach the animal control people. They were looking for advice.
I offered to take it because I hadn't eaten supper. Oddly, the net went quiet. I suspect they were speechless, drooling at the thought of how delicious breaded squirrels taste, spiced up and rolled in crushed crackers. I had four in the freezer, but honestly, four is not enough.
I've had this argument before--it's a legitimate word!
Sheesh, Casey
OK, but what is it supposed to mean?????????????
Regardless!
Irregardless just has a useless extra syllable I suppose.
Enough to confuse folks though....
Casey
Amazing!
It's a well established convention in the English language that adding a prefix of 'ir' changes a word to it's opposite meaning. Now - apparently - some dictionary says that 'irregardless' means the same as 'regardless'.
The implications are mind-boggling. By the same token, can we now take it, for example, that 'irregular' means the same as 'regular', and 'irreversible' means the same as 'reversible'?
If this sort of butchering of English continues long enough it will become impossible to understand what the writer/speaker actually means!
Does this mean that the IRS is not actually a service?
It's odd how our speech can get twisted When parts of our schooling we've missed-ed So we make up some chit, force it to fit And convince ourselves we have fixed it
Waxing poetical and speaking straightly, I say harvest though I am a hunter and not a farmer, after game and not grain with my Modern Sporting Rifle I am not afraid to say, is just like the autoloaders we used in an earlier day.
It is? It wasn't when I learned it in grade school. People and dictionaries are too PC today to list anything as "improper." That's the real problem - "PC!"
Our God reigns. Harrumph!!! I often use quick reply. My posts are not directed toward any specific person unless I mention them by name.
The problem with the English language is there is no single source for validation other than private sources like say Webster's. Spanish for example is governed by the Royal Academy of Languages and they have been the validating authority for Spanish since the Middle Ages.
Actually the translation would be Spanish Royal Academy, it was founded in the 1700s... not quite the middle ages A few of my ancestors, including my grandfather were members. Basically their goal is that the Spanish language, despite contemporary adaptions to the needs of the people does not lose (single "o" here!) its true basis. There is another association which translates to Association of Spanish Language Academies. In any case as Jorge says, they validate and approve what is official and what it not. They do include a bunch of anglicisms which to be correct require a spanish phonetic spelling. English rules can be whimsical, and what is proper or not depends on use. Isn't it amazingal?
The problem with the English language is there is no single source for validation other than private sources like say Webster's. Spanish for example is governed by the Royal Academy of Languages and they have been the validating authority for Spanish since the Middle Ages.
Actually the translation would be Spanish Royal Academy, it was founded in the 1700s... not quite the middle ages A few of my ancestors, including my grandfather were members. Basically their goal is that the Spanish language, despite contemporary adaptions to the needs of the people does not lose (single "o" here!) its true basis. There is another association which translates to Association of Spanish Language Academies. In any case as Jorge says, they validate and approve what is official and what it not. They do include a bunch of anglicisms which to be correct require a spanish phonetic spelling. English rules can be whimsical, and what is proper or not depends on use. Isn't it amazingal?
Adaptation
Gotcha!
Our God reigns. Harrumph!!! I often use quick reply. My posts are not directed toward any specific person unless I mention them by name.
Hmmph! and even though english is my second language I am quite the spelling control freak. Oh well, I'll say manure occurs since it is more elegantical
Hmmph! and even though english is my second language I am quite the spelling control freak. Oh well, I'll say manure occurs since it is more elegantical
Quite admiracal, or something.
Our God reigns. Harrumph!!! I often use quick reply. My posts are not directed toward any specific person unless I mention them by name.
I agree. People who use orientate are automatically suspected to be disoriented.
+1
And those who use metamorphosized have metamorphosed into something other than English speakers.
Yes, it seems, according to some sources, metamorphosized is another one of those "non-standard" wirds (typo intentional this time!)
The desert is a true treasure for him who seeks refuge from men and the evil of men. In it is contentment In it is death and all you seek (Quoted from "The Bleeding of the Stone" Ibrahim Al-Koni)
I always relied on the Concise Oxford, until I started writing for a wider audience. I favour colloquial phrasing these daze, 'cause that's what most people sorta understand. One has to keep up with the times.
Except for what I do at work, I've tossed the dictionaries in favour of the fashionable "muttonhead" style.
The English speaking world used to laugh at malaprops, Goldwynisms and other misspoken words or phrases, but... More and more, these aberrations are being used in mainstream writing. English is indeed a living language. The Internets and the (T)urban Dictionary aren't helping. In fact, they kilt it dead.
I have found the UD useful though when deciphering some of my student's youthspeak. What will come as English evolves More(ly)?
On the topic of words not meaning what some people assume from their sound, nothing stirs up a good tschidt storm like slipping the word "[bleep]" into any sort of news account.
Edited: Well, I see that even this site had a tschidt fit over the word. For those interested, the word is November-India-Golf-Golf-Alpha-Romeo-Delta-Lima-Yankee.
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Happily Trapped In the Past (Thanks, Joe)
Not only a less than minimally educated person, but stupid and out of touch as well.
Recall some time ago when a media pundit used that word in the course of intelligent discussion (alleged) and one of the lady (alleged) members of the Black Caucus (House) went into high orbit.
I do wish ignorance was painful.
I am..........disturbed.
Concerning the difference between man and the jackass: some observers hold that there isn't any. But this wrongs the jackass. -Twain
I'd like to thank the Academy for doing whatever it is they do...and charging money for it. I'd also like to thank The Big Guy for watching over me, my family, all my friends (except Edwin, he's been pissy lately), the discoverers of Chinese food, Jack Jones and the creators of Love Boat, everyone that talks to the guy in the next stall when they're pooping, and all the things that have inspired me over the years to write country music. Most notably,
The torture of a broken heart, broken bones, broken promises, boils, disease, war, pestilence, failed exams, lost jobs, missing relatives and friends, bad weather, pets dying, the end of the day, the end of vacation, the toilet backing up, more children coming, divorce, death, SPCA ads, old age, rust, GM products, God has deserted you, the car won't start, the devil is chasing you, global warming, impending ice age, fire, children in distress, bills, alimony, suicide, junk mail, the 60s are gone, tornadoes, tidal waves, hurricanes, tsunamis, you're out of beer, the store is closed, no money, no home, no hope, no help, headaches, acne, fear of flying, your first kiss, you're too fat, you're too skinny, feeling sick, feeling blue...
And of course, the little people. You know who you are. Losers...
excerpt from SexyBack (J. Timberlake, T. Mosley, and N. Hills ) Timberlake owes me a Jeep, but I'll be damned if I can remember why.
I�m bringing sexy back Them other boys don�t know how to act I think you're special, what's behind your back? So turn around and I'll pick up the slack.
Take 'em to the bridge...
Dirty babe You see these shackles Baby I�m your slave I�ll let you whip me if I misbehave It�s just that no one makes me feel this way...
Pert near everbody has a problem wif Inglish! I's thinkin' of takin' Inglish lessons from that lady on TV, Miss Rosetta Stone. She speaks a pile of languages!
The structure of limericks somewhat necessitates eloquent smut. So if you won't take the time to learn meter and rhyme, then don't write them you ignorant slut!
"You can lead a man to logic, but you cannot make him think." Joe Harz "Always certain, often right." Keith McCafferty
I have heard that Ms. Stone is a contentious and confrontational ol' bat. Related to Walter Wenchell no doubt.
Does she do shots?
I don't understand anything about that, but I bet she speaks purdy. Come to think of it, you speak purdy too! You know all them fancy, five dollar college words. Anyway, one day I'll get to meet her. I seen them Inglish shows where everbody speaks all high class like...but purdy. You know, poetical, jest like Merle Haggard.
When I'm a drinkin' And all alone I dreams of my sweetheart Miss Rosetta Stone
I hope she does shots too, 'cause when me and the boys is shootin' birds behind the courthouse, we like to do a few ourselves to liven up the competishun. We usually have stuff I brew myself, but there's a bite to 'er. I learned early on not to drink too much. If you does, you start poopin' razor blades! Always drink in moderation. My recipe has to be cut with some quality hooch.
To get the good stuff, we drive over to my buddy Freddy's place for some of his smooth tastin' Freddy Feelgood's Coil Ripened Blended Thunder. A couple a jugs is purt near all we need. The man is a master. He's got customers all over the county. And nobody ever gets comspitated. You know, bunged up.
Seriously, we gotta cut mine with some of his or I figure we'd all go blind. Oh, my stuff ain't that bad really, it's just that the ingredients come outta the dump at Seemyville. I gotta try and get it local - from the dumpster at the grocery store maybe.
The machinery is another story. It's quality stuff! I gots most of the parts for the still from the nuculer reacter place. Well, I don't actually go to the reacter. It's guarded and all. Once a month they bring things from there and toss 'em in the dump beside my place. I guess the dump here is closer than Seemyville. Funny thing is they always do it in the middle of the night! I never could figger out why. I just wish they wouldn't burry everthing. It takes a few hours for to dig everthing out!
Anyways, I grab up whatever I can. Waist not. Want not. My daddy taught me that you gotta recycle things. It's good for planet, right?
I just noticed that I wasn't apposta post this here. I'm thankful that the sheriff can't read. Just never mind what I said, okay?
And thus we come to one of my pet peeves. I hear people say "preventative" all the time. I've never heard anyone say "preventate." Why isn't "preventive" good enough? Would anyone say, "We're going to preventate the disease with this preventative medicine"?
Another peeve. When I was in the clothing industry, our buyers would introduce the season's new line, and invariably they'd say something like "This season's colorations are rouge, celadon and eggshell." What they couldn't make themselves say was "This season's colors are pink, light green and off white."
Steve.
"I was a deerhunter long before I was a man." ~Gene Wensel's Come November (2000) "A vote is like a rifle; its usefulness depends upon the character of the user." ~Theodore Roosevelt
"I was a deerhunter long before I was a man." ~Gene Wensel's Come November (2000) "A vote is like a rifle; its usefulness depends upon the character of the user." ~Theodore Roosevelt
An oft-misused word just came to mind: dominate, often used as an adjective but is actually a verb, as in "San Antonio has taken over as the dominate team in the NBA."
Properly: San Antonio dominates (verb) the NBA. It is the dominant (adjective, modifying a noun) team.
This is misused so often I won't be surprised when it is recognized as proper. But then, poetical license permits nearly anything.
Steve.
"I was a deerhunter long before I was a man." ~Gene Wensel's Come November (2000) "A vote is like a rifle; its usefulness depends upon the character of the user." ~Theodore Roosevelt
The language in this thread is almost as irritating as a twisted phone cord. Almost.
Don't provoke us, we can do a great deal more harm.
You wouldn't dare. Would you?
The worst is a long coil cord that is all twisted together. You can spend a bunch of time getting it all untwisted and deknotted and straightened back out, then come back 5 minutes later and it looks just like it did before. Egad!
Our God reigns. Harrumph!!! I often use quick reply. My posts are not directed toward any specific person unless I mention them by name.
Of course I would dare. All great things in life stem from those who dared to ignore conventional wisdom. Henry Ford, Orville and Wilbur, Chuck Yeager. They all dared to be great.
I don't know how old you are, but there was a gentler time when phone cords weren't coiled. Before that we had phones with a fixed mouth piece and a ear piece on a straight cord.
Today we have cordless phones, mobile phones, satellite phones and more. I for one have never figured out how to answer a satellite phone as they are always out of reach and moving far too fast for my comfort. Not that it matters.
If you suffer a twisted cordical In fashion not altogether theoretical Thus finding yourself hysterical
Then journey to the phone store Find peace, and more.
It's not Haiku, but I can work on that if you like.
Haiku would be more like this, though far from precisely the following form:
Twist cord No mind Sorry GI
I am..........disturbed.
Concerning the difference between man and the jackass: some observers hold that there isn't any. But this wrongs the jackass. -Twain
"Poetical" has been in English usage for at least some centuries. I had no difficulty tracing it back to 1470. Like other words its usage has waxed and waned, but it isn't new.
This is just what I meant. I said to my wife, "Darlin', this is just what I meant!"
She said, "Yep, you said whatever it was you said, and then you said, 'That's just what I mean!' And I know you. I know that's what you meant. Them $5 words is funny!"
Then I give her a Valentimes gift.
She said, "My goodness! I don't know what to say. I'm beside myself!"
I said, "No, that's not what you meant. It's actually me beside myself!"
Having Google on the next tab Mirriam-Webster has it. They note the "poetical" was first known to be used in the 14th century. Apparently contorting the king's English is not something new under the sun.
The key elements in human thinking are not numbers but labels of fuzzy sets. -- L. Zadeh
Paul, when I was young, we had a minister who was in love with the word "irregardless". He would use it every Sunday, and this was followed up by Mom's ranting against its use at Sunday dinner. This method of reinforced learning to which I was exposed probably was very effective.
Not a real member - just an ordinary guy who appreciates being able to hang around and say something once in awhile.
Happily Trapped In the Past (Thanks, Joe)
Not only a less than minimally educated person, but stupid and out of touch as well.
But the rules for all them words and phrases and stuff only count inside colleges and lawyer's offices. Them stuffed shirts figure they're keepin' the language alive and maintainin' structure.
The fact is, they're only makin' it harder for people to communicate - like when Nelford bought his farm. Damn legal documents! Them lawyers told Nelford all the words was written to protect him...and charged him hundreds of dollars for it! The only people who could truly understand any of it was other lawyers! I just suggested that he save his money, buy a box of shells for his 30-30, and take them both along when he went to sign the deal. That would keep the meanings simple. Rip me off and you know where it's goin'!
Most of your common folk don't know and don't care about things like 'e after i as in berries and pies', or addin' ED to verbals for past tensiles. Thinked, drinked, etc. All that's too hard to remember!
I think that's why I hated school so much. Miss Karbunkle didn't like us to say things like, "Hi! How are ya'll doin'?" She called it crude or something. I just called it bein' friendly.
Then again we lawyers could always go back to using Latin phrases, wouldn't that be lovely. (Perhaps we could up the fees if we did? ) Considering the clarity of well adjudicated terms of art, there is little harder to read than an "easy reading" insurance contract.
Time and place for everything.
One of the more pitiful things I've seen was a farmer in a law library trying to make sense of a legal question. The more the library assistant tried to help the worse it got. He would've made the perfect poster child for, "My head is about to explode!"
On the other hand given enough time I may be able to figure out how to start a tractor.
The key elements in human thinking are not numbers but labels of fuzzy sets. -- L. Zadeh
"You tark too funny GI. Armost poeticar.", said the Saigon bar girl.
You have brains in your head. You have feet in your shoes. You can steer yourself in any direction you choose. You're on your own, and you know what you know. And you are the guy who'll decide where to go. - Dr. Suess
I am..........disturbed.
Concerning the difference between man and the jackass: some observers hold that there isn't any. But this wrongs the jackass. -Twain
I took a job at a company that has been in business since 1957 building large, powerful machines controlled by a computer (like a PLC but more specialized). I was the first electrical/controls engineer ever hired by that company and they didn't understand a word I said. Left after two years. I wasn't stupid enough for them.
Our God reigns. Harrumph!!! I often use quick reply. My posts are not directed toward any specific person unless I mention them by name.
My late Aunt, a retired English teacher, would always correct our speech. I hated that and never quite understood the rules of English. Thankfully I heard it spoken reasonably well and know what sounds right/correct. I am sure Aunt Laura could find many flaws, but I get by. Using correct punctuation on the other hand, is a struggle.
Parents who say they have good kids..Usually don't!
English grammar is bad enough but what we really need is a total do-over of English spelling.
I thought I got some tough dough. I lost my comb at Grant’s Tomb when a bomb went off near here. Use it or lose it, and don’t lose your loose change, hold it close.
I’m always surprised that furriners speak English as well as they do, I’m amazed that any of them can spell anything write, I mean right - which is ungrammatical, they spell it correctly.
Gunnery, gunnery, gunnery. Hit the target, all else is twaddle!
I'm teaching an ESL course right now, and the Saudis especially have trouble with articles. In addition, they have trouble remembering the period belongs right after the last letter in a sentence, not at the start of the subsequent sentence and not floating between the two. I'm guessing they don't have articles and periods in Arabic?
I do not understand how a projectile can loose velocity.
It's quite simple really. Improperly assembled bullets require tweaking before use. Even match bullets are out of adjustment from the manufacturer.
One of the reloading/preloading checklist steps is to employ a bullet wrench. It tightens the bullet in preparation for loading, so that groups will be smaller. I believe that it has been discussed here before.
Top level competitors and some hunters utilize a number of specialty tools to produce top accuracy. They include:
Bullet wrenches Powder filters (aka propellant grain uniformers) Case lathes, bullet lathes (old school, hand lathe, new school - CNC) Case neck torque wrench (aka brassing tool - uniforms neck tension) pneumatic case neck neck straightener (aka bending tool) magnetic primer alignment bath (magnets align the primer composition for uniform burning) sonic cartridge shelf (aka shaker, used at the bench to uniform loaded cartridges) Bullet Balm (aka bullet cream, vaporub - bullet jacket homogenizer)
There are others, but personally, I don't bother with the primer bath anymore. Primers are made much better than even ten years ago.
At one time, I used a cartridge refrigerator to keep the unfired cases at a specific temperature, but abandoned that idea because not all ranges had 110 plugs. A friend suggested a battery powered model, but it was too expensive!
As an aside a local high school girl hails from Moscow. She speaks excellent English with the slightest, and most pleasing, European accent. She does have trouble comprehending the subtleties of the local dialect which, at times, can be amusing. Fortunately she has a fine sense of humor. American English in its varieties can be most difficult.
The key elements in human thinking are not numbers but labels of fuzzy sets. -- L. Zadeh
Bullet wrenches are never a mistake. With a choice of adjustable, or the more popular calibre specific type, they are the bee's knees.
Just remember to choose the correct model - HP, OT, Sp, or Homo.
I would also recommend a tarnish sponge and heel grinder to uniform the heels. This ensures bullets are not damaged while seating. Used in conjuction with a case neck trimmer, the maker says you can reduce group size up to 110%.
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