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358 STA love #9125960 08/25/14
Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 277 Oregon R Redside OP Campfire Member
OP Redside Campfire Member R Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 277 Oregon	Ok, I had this smithed by Ray Romain a number of years ago but haven't shot it until recently because I've been working on other projects. It loves the Sierra 225 Gameking and doesn't really like the 225 Nosler Partition. Using Reloder 22 I get 3150fps with no signs of pressure. 98 Mauser (Weatherby Southgate) Mcswirly Olive, Black and Gray Barrel is a Douglas 26 inch 1-14 twist Leupold VX-III 4.5-14x40 with CDS Weight is just under 9 pounds ready to go, I wouldn't have it any lighter. I have used the 225 Gameking on a large black bear about 10 years ago and got full penetration so I did a milk jug test today. From about 50 yards away it destroyed four milk jugs and lodged in the 5th. Here is what it looked like Accuracy has been outstanding here was my first group with it at 100 yards. The gamekings are on the left the nosler partitions are on the right. So I tried accuracy at 200 yards. The three shots on the bottom are gamekings and three above are partitions. Can't wait to take it out, look forward to hearing from some other 358 STA fans. Last edited by Redside; 08/25/14.

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Re: 358 STA love Redside #9126241 08/25/14
Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 15,300 Northeast USA B beretzs Campfire Ranger
beretzs Campfire Ranger B Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 15,300 Northeast USA	I like your rifle alot! I always wanted a big 35. I have a 358 Winchester, 35 Remington, and the 35 Whelen. I figured I needed a big 35 to round out the .358's. My buddies had my old 338 Win Mag rebored to 35 Newton. Mine is bobbed at 20.5" and I topped it with a Leupold 2-12. It'll run 225 AB's at 2950 and I am currently running 250 PT's at 2810. I really like the big 35's. Yours is the king, but I am having a blast with the Newton. Semper Fi

Re: 358 STA love Redside #9126298 08/25/14
Joined: Aug 2010 Posts: 48,024 Battle Born B bsa1917hunter Campfire 'Bwana
bsa1917hunter Campfire 'Bwana B Joined: Aug 2010 Posts: 48,024 Battle Born	Originally Posted by Redside Ok, I had this smithed by Ray Romain a number of years ago but haven't shot it until recently because I've been working on other projects. It loves the Sierra 225 Gameking and doesn't really like the 225 Nosler Partition. Using Reloder 22 I get 3150fps with no signs of pressure. 98 Mauser (Weatherby Southgate) Mcswirly Olive, Black and Gray Barrel is a Douglas 26 inch 1-14 twist Leupold VX-III 4.5-14x40 with CDS Weight is just under 9 pounds ready to go, I wouldn't have it any lighter. I have used the 225 Gameking on a large black bear about 10 years ago and got full penetration so I did a milk jug test today. From about 50 yards away it destroyed four milk jugs and lodged in the 5th. Here is what it looked like Accuracy has been outstanding here was my first group with it at 100 yards. The gamekings are on the left the nosler partitions are on the right. So I tried accuracy at 200 yards. The three shots on the bottom are gamekings and three above are partitions. Can't wait to take it out, look forward to hearing from some other 358 STA fans. Beautiful rifle. Where was your POA on the green target? Looks like the first group was way low and to the left. Or Is there that much deviation in POI between the different bullets? Beretz, that Newton is too cool too buddy.. Originally Posted by raybass I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. Originally Posted by Pharmseller You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA

Re: 358 STA love bsa1917hunter #9126413 08/25/14
Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 15,300 Northeast USA B beretzs Campfire Ranger
beretzs Campfire Ranger B Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 15,300 Northeast USA	Yeah, it's worth saying twice, that 358STA is a beautiful rifle and a smasher of a cartridge. I know the big 35's don't get a whole lotta love, but they are impressive hunting cartridges. Semper Fi

Re: 358 STA love bsa1917hunter #9126429 08/25/14
Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 277 Oregon R Redside OP Campfire Member
OP Redside Campfire Member R Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 277 Oregon	Actually I had just gotten the rifle onto paper so that was my first group without establishing zero yet. A 35 Newton definently is probably the coolest 35 caliber a person can own. I just always wanted a 358 STA after reading Layne Simpsons article those years ago. Last edited by Redside; 08/25/14.

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Re: 358 STA love Redside #9126509 08/25/14
Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 15,300 Northeast USA B beretzs Campfire Ranger
beretzs Campfire Ranger B Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 15,300 Northeast USA	I know what you mean. I am really loving the Newton. I read alot about Newton's stuff as a young lad and found a set of old RCBS dies for next to nothing. After I developed the load, I have been doing nothing but shooting from the ground, prone, sitting or kneeling and the rifle is just shooting well for me. I shot the 1st three with the sling, proned out on the deck. They were just under the bull. I added 5 clicks of elevation (200 yards) and shot the next 5. I let one slip out, but I am very happy with the load and rifle. Not to derail your post at all, cause you have the king of 358's. I couldn't have dreamed up a better set up than what you have. Semper Fi

Re: 358 STA love Redside #9127136 08/25/14
Joined: Aug 2010 Posts: 48,024 Battle Born B bsa1917hunter Campfire 'Bwana
bsa1917hunter Campfire 'Bwana B Joined: Aug 2010 Posts: 48,024 Battle Born	Originally Posted by Redside Actually I had just gotten the rifle onto paper so that was my first group without establishing zero yet. A 35 Newton definently is probably the coolest 35 caliber a person can own. I just always wanted a 358 STA after reading Layne Simpsons article those years ago. I remember reading those shooting times Alaskan articles and shooting times westerner write-ups. I probably still have the magazines. Very good reads, those guys really liked the big cartridges back then. Boddington was pushing them hard and so many guys building cartridges off of the 404 J. I'll bet that STA is a hammer. It looks great too. Good luck on your hunts with it. Originally Posted by raybass I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. Originally Posted by Pharmseller You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA

Re: 358 STA love beretzs #9127146 08/25/14
Joined: Jun 2002 Posts: 9,921 Alaska B bearstalker Campfire Outfitter
bearstalker Campfire Outfitter B Joined: Jun 2002 Posts: 9,921 Alaska	Nice rifle! I've always been intrigued by the 358 STA cartridge as well, but I got a Model 70 358 Norma Mag in the safe that has kept me from having an STA built.

Re: 358 STA love bearstalker #9127154 08/25/14
Joined: Aug 2010 Posts: 48,024 Battle Born B bsa1917hunter Campfire 'Bwana
bsa1917hunter Campfire 'Bwana B Joined: Aug 2010 Posts: 48,024 Battle Born	Damn, 358 Norma. What more could you want Originally Posted by raybass I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. Originally Posted by Pharmseller You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA

Re: 358 STA love Redside #9127246 08/25/14
Joined: Feb 2001 Posts: 5,955 AK..CO..MO..CO..EU..AR..next??... Kodiakisland Campfire Tracker
Kodiakisland Campfire Tracker Joined: Feb 2001 Posts: 5,955 AK..CO..MO..CO..EU..AR..next??...	I had a STA built on a M70 after reading Laynes articles many years ago. 250grs at 2950fps from a 23in barrel makes an impression on both ends. I have used it on many hunts and have shot many animals with it. Deer, Caribou, Mnt Goat, Moose, Wolf, Bear. Can't say it's a favorite but it sure has gotten a lot of use. If I was building today, I doubt I'd do the STA. A 358-375 Ruger is probably the route I would go. The last pic it is wearing an MPI Hamilcar stock. Great for shooting but not so much for carrying. Last edited by Kodiakisland; 08/26/14. Don't just be a survivor, be a competitor.

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Re: 358 STA love Kodiakisland #9127570 08/26/14
Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 59,140 WI. R Redneck Campfire Kahuna
Redneck Campfire Kahuna R Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 59,140 WI.	I built one on a Rem 700 action for myself when I got into this biz.. Was hopin' I'd get a chance to use it on a large animal - but it wasn't in the cards. That was a good article by Layne. Made me drool... Ex- USN (SS) '66-'69 Pro-Constitution. LET'S GO BRANDON!!!

Re: 358 STA love Redneck #9130075 08/26/14
Joined: Jun 2005 Posts: 27,500 Going BACK to Africa this year... safariman Campfire Ranger
safariman Campfire Ranger Joined: Jun 2005 Posts: 27,500 Going BACK to Africa this year...	Congratulations on a fine rifle in a great cartridge. To be a little different, I went with the same case in .338 for my big wildcat and big critters in AK and Zim have absolutely HATED it, to death.... My fast 33 pushes 225gr TTSX's out the snout at 3100fps backed with a case full of IMR 7828SSC lit by federal 215M's. But just wait, the little men and thier little cartridges will be along any minute with some chit about BC's and Boolits and placement trumps headstamps and all of thier campfire PC crap. Yeah, BC is good, and placement is critical, but sometimes pure horsepower is useful, too. And FUN! An idea lost on too many here. If you are going to make a hole, make it a hole to REMEMBER! LOVE God, LOVE your family, LOVE your country, LIKE guns and sports. About 2016 team "R" candidates "We definitely need a crew with a sack of balls the size of hot water bottles, bloviated estrogen leaking feel-gooders need not apply." Gunner 500

Re: 358 STA love safariman #9131914 08/27/14
Joined: Jul 2007 Posts: 24,638 Midwest SKane Campfire Ranger
SKane Campfire Ranger Joined: Jul 2007 Posts: 24,638 Midwest	Originally Posted by safariman But just wait, the little men and thier little cartridges will be along any minute with some chit about BC's and Boolits and placement trumps headstamps and all of thier campfire PC crap. Yeah, BC is good, and placement is critical, but sometimes pure horsepower is useful, too. There should be an award for the campfire's slowest learner. Little, non magnum cartridges? Not for me or THIS hunt..... https://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbth...ttle_non_magnum_cartridges_N#Post8739685 redside, Fantastic rifle. And, I'm in agreement on the weight - any lighter and touching that one off would be akin to chewing tinfoil. WWP53D

Re: 358 STA love safariman #9131965 08/27/14
Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 277 Oregon R Redside OP Campfire Member
OP Redside Campfire Member R Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 277 Oregon	Originally Posted by safariman But just wait, the little men and thier little cartridges will be along any minute with some chit about BC's and Boolits and placement trumps headstamps and all of thier campfire PC crap. Yeah, BC is good, and placement is critical, but sometimes pure horsepower is useful, too. And FUN! An idea lost on too many here. If you are going to make a hole, make it a hole to REMEMBER! To me this has been my experience with hunting big game. All calibers work. But I've just had many more bank flops using the bigger bores .338 and above then I have had using the .270/7mm and below. They all die but I know typically they are going to run a little further when shot with my .270 on average.

Re: 358 STA love Kodiakisland #9132652 08/27/14
Joined: Nov 2006 Posts: 901 M McCray Campfire Regular
McCray Campfire Regular M Joined: Nov 2006 Posts: 901	My STA, just back from the blueing company. Model 70 Classic action Lilja 24 inch barrel Winchester Super Grade take off stock Williams Oberndorf style bottom metal Just over 9 pounds as is with the Swarovsky scope, which will probably get replaced with a Leica Winchester rifles and Swarovski scopes.

Re: 358 STA love McCray #9132751 08/27/14
Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 6,293 home in OR! KDK Campfire Tracker
KDK Campfire Tracker Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 6,293 home in OR!	Beauty! Originally Posted by ingwe This is a shooting forum, there is no place here for logic.

Re: 358 STA love KDK #9133160 08/28/14
Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 15,300 Northeast USA B beretzs Campfire Ranger
beretzs Campfire Ranger B Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 15,300 Northeast USA	Wow, now that is beautiful! What a rifle! Kurt, I bet a guy with a M70 300 RUM could make a beauty of a 358 STA, Newton or Norma! Semper Fi

Re: 358 STA love beretzs #9133595 08/28/14
Joined: Mar 2014 Posts: 563 Raleigh, NC W whitebread Campfire Regular
whitebread Campfire Regular W Joined: Mar 2014 Posts: 563 Raleigh, NC	Beautiful rifle in an excellent caliber. A few hundred more rounds and my 300WM will be re-barreled in 358 STA.

Re: 358 STA love beretzs #9134792 08/28/14
Joined: Nov 2006 Posts: 901 M McCray Campfire Regular
McCray Campfire Regular M Joined: Nov 2006 Posts: 901	Originally Posted by beretzs Wow, now that is beautiful! What a rifle! Kurt, I bet a guy with a M70 300 RUM could make a beauty of a 358 STA, Newton or Norma! Easiest way is one that was originally 300WBY or STW. Just rebarrel and rock on! At one time I had three 300 Weatherbys. Now one is a STA, another is a 375 Weatherby and the most accurate one is still a 300. Winchester rifles and Swarovski scopes.

Re: 358 STA love McCray #9134827 08/28/14
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McCray Campfire Regular M Joined: Nov 2006 Posts: 901	And thanks for the comments! I built it for African plains game...now if it would just cool off enough to get to the range to finalize loads...225 TSXs and H4350 looks good! Winchester rifles and Swarovski scopes.

Re: 358 STA love McCray #9135811 08/29/14
Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 59,140 WI. R Redneck Campfire Kahuna
Redneck Campfire Kahuna R Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 59,140 WI.	Originally Posted by McCray My STA, just back from the blueing company. Model 70 Classic action Lilja 24 inch barrel Winchester Super Grade take off stock Williams Oberndorf style bottom metal Just over 9 pounds as is with the Swarovsky scope, which will probably get replaced with a Leica Now THAT'S a rifle!!! OUTstanding... Originally Posted by McCray Originally Posted by beretzs Wow, now that is beautiful! What a rifle! Kurt, I bet a guy with a M70 300 RUM could make a beauty of a 358 STA, Newton or Norma! Easiest way is one that was originally 300WBY or STW. Just rebarrel and rock on! THAT... It's why I've stockpiled a few STWs...just in case one has the need.. Ex- USN (SS) '66-'69 Pro-Constitution. LET'S GO BRANDON!!!

Re: 358 STA love Redneck #9135816 08/29/14
Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 59,140 WI. R Redneck Campfire Kahuna
Redneck Campfire Kahuna R Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 59,140 WI.	Here's a factory original (Custom Shop item): One of only 90 made... Every time I open the box I gotta wipe the drool off my face.. Ex- USN (SS) '66-'69 Pro-Constitution. LET'S GO BRANDON!!!

Re: 358 STA love Redneck #9136322 08/29/14
Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 1,654 Russell, PA Scott Campfire Regular
Scott Campfire Regular Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 1,654 Russell, PA	Redneck built mine a bunch of years ago. M700 in a Bansner Sheephunter stock & Douglas #3 countour 24" barrel. Around 7.5 lbs including scope, sling, 3 in the belly. 92gr of RL22 and 225 NP is current go-to load but have some Barnes blue tips loaded to try. "There is no excellance in Archery without great labor". Maurice Thompson 1879 Nothing clears a troubled mind better than shooting a bow. Fred Bear

Re: 358 STA love Scott #9137427 08/29/14
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 8,294 VT... W woofer Campfire Outfitter
woofer Campfire Outfitter W Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 8,294 VT...	And detached retinal insurance is how much? Sounds like something I would do.... Good on ya'... W "I would build one again, if it were not for my 350RM (grin)." MtnHtr

Re: 358 STA love woofer #9141403 08/31/14
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BrandonGleason Campfire Regular B Joined: Jun 2011 Posts: 503 Shelton, CT	Redneck, those photos make me green with envy every time you post them! Absolutely beautiful rifle. Brandon Gleason

Re: 358 STA love BrandonGleason #9141440 08/31/14
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gunner500 Campfire 'Bwana G Joined: Sep 2009 Posts: 46,245 Oklahoma	Ya, same here neighbor, gotta go hang my drool soaked shirts across the damn fence every time I see Rednecks rife, pure sweetness. Trump Won!

Re: 358 STA love beretzs #9143960 09/01/14
Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 6,293 home in OR! KDK Campfire Tracker
KDK Campfire Tracker Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 6,293 home in OR!	Originally Posted by beretzs Wow, now that is beautiful! What a rifle! Kurt, I bet a guy with a M70 300 RUM could make a beauty of a 358 STA, Newton or Norma! Pretty sure the guy with said .300 RUM already has plans for something else with it, starting with ".404" and ending in "Jeffery"! That would be nearly as cool as a Newton! If I ever find a couple of 7 RM or .300 WM donors, one will surely end up at Lee's to be turned into a .340 (the other a Mashburn). Originally Posted by ingwe This is a shooting forum, there is no place here for logic.

Re: 358 STA love Redside #9154683 09/05/14
Joined: Apr 2001 Posts: 313 wisconsin usa B Brian Campfire Member
Brian Campfire Member B Joined: Apr 2001 Posts: 313 wisconsin usa	beautiful rifle!

Re: 358 STA love Brian #9158153 09/06/14
Joined: Jun 2005 Posts: 27,500 Going BACK to Africa this year... safariman Campfire Ranger
safariman Campfire Ranger Joined: Jun 2005 Posts: 27,500 Going BACK to Africa this year...	McCray and Redneck, WOW, what wonderful rifles in both of your cases. Just perfect! LOVE God, LOVE your family, LOVE your country, LIKE guns and sports. About 2016 team "R" candidates "We definitely need a crew with a sack of balls the size of hot water bottles, bloviated estrogen leaking feel-gooders need not apply." Gunner 500

Re: 358 STA love safariman #9166142 09/09/14
Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 4,654 Wyotana Cowboybart Campfire Tracker
Cowboybart Campfire Tracker Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 4,654 Wyotana	VERY Nice rifles!!! I have always had a love affair with the 35 cal. The STA eludes me as I have a Norma on a 700 and on a 98 action. At this point I don't see a need for the extra 150fps of the STA. But given a chance to do it over again, I think the 700 would be made into an STA!! Some is Good---More is Better----Too Much is Just Right

Re: 358 STA love Cowboybart #9166282 09/09/14
Joined: Feb 2001 Posts: 5,955 AK..CO..MO..CO..EU..AR..next??... Kodiakisland Campfire Tracker
Kodiakisland Campfire Tracker Joined: Feb 2001 Posts: 5,955 AK..CO..MO..CO..EU..AR..next??...	I no longer see the need for the speed of the STA either. I now run mine around 2850fps regardless of bullet weight. Its extremely inefficient at those speeds but it sure is more fun to shoot. Unless pushing the 280gr A-frames or 310gr woodleighs, I just don't see the need to run it full bore anymore. Don't just be a survivor, be a competitor.

Re: 358 STA love woofer #9244261 10/10/14
Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 1,654 Russell, PA Scott Campfire Regular
Scott Campfire Regular Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 1,654 Russell, PA	Just ran some 200gr Barnes thru it last night. I weigh about 50lbs less than when I started with it 10+ years ago and was only wearing a light shirt and fleece. Got my butt walloped. Gonna stick to the 225gr partitions as they are more accurate. "There is no excellance in Archery without great labor". Maurice Thompson 1879 Nothing clears a troubled mind better than shooting a bow. Fred Bear

Re: 358 STA love Scott #9246226 10/11/14
Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 59,140 WI. R Redneck Campfire Kahuna
Redneck Campfire Kahuna R Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 59,140 WI.	Originally Posted by Scott Just ran some 200gr Barnes thru it last night. I weigh about 50lbs less than when I started with it 10+ years ago and was only wearing a light shirt and fleece. Got my butt walloped. Oh, c'mon, man up... Heavy recoil's good for the soul.. Ex- USN (SS) '66-'69 Pro-Constitution. LET'S GO BRANDON!!!

Re: 358 STA love Redneck #9246249 10/11/14
Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 1,654 Russell, PA Scott Campfire Regular
Scott Campfire Regular Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 1,654 Russell, PA	Yea, I know. Don't want to lose my man card from whining. "There is no excellance in Archery without great labor". Maurice Thompson 1879 Nothing clears a troubled mind better than shooting a bow. Fred Bear

Re: 358 STA love Scott #9251418 10/13/14
Joined: May 2006 Posts: 4,058 2 22WRF Campfire Tracker
22WRF Campfire Tracker 2 Joined: May 2006 Posts: 4,058	I wonder how something lightweight would compare, like a .325 necked up to 35 caliber in the Kimber Montana

Re: 358 STA love 22WRF #9251465 10/13/14
Joined: Nov 2011 Posts: 3,184 MN Les7603006 Campfire Tracker
Les7603006 Campfire Tracker Joined: Nov 2011 Posts: 3,184 MN	Originally Posted by 22WRF I wonder how something lightweight would compare, like a .325 necked up to 35 caliber in the Kimber Montana YES

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