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My father lives in Western Montana, and wants a special gun for wolf protection when he is out hiking. The protection is not for him, but for his bird dog. Wolves have killed a number of dogs in recent years, so the threat is credible.
The performance parameters:
able to dispatch a wolf up to 100 yards
multiple repeat shot capability
very light--4-4.5# would be ideal
compact
more accuracy than a handgun permits.
The only thing I can think of that comes close to meeting these parameters would be built off the AR15 receiver. But this is not my specialty, so I thought I would get some advice. This gun is for carrying, not for high volume shooting, so a polymer lower is certainly a possibility. He has suppressed weapons, so getting a tax stamp is not out of the question. He does not have a .22 can.
What would you build? (The more details you can provide, the better.)
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Montana .223 with a 4x33 scope, shooting 65 gr. GKs or similar.
Not going to make your weight, but plenty light.
I replace valve cover gaskets every 50K, if they don't need them sooner...
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1/8 or 1/7 Short Barreled Rifle (SBR) using a 10.5 inch barrel. He will need to get a Class 3 license to own ($200.00 tax stamp and up to 6 months wait) but it would be compact and have the firepower to go with it. I have made hits standing with an eotech to 250 yards on Steel Poppers. For the money I would look at LMT or Daniel Defense.
He could also get a 357 Sig in the handgun of his choice for longer shots with a red dot style aiming device on it would be another option?
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4-5 pounds with an optic wow. Get a tactical solutions X ring 22 LR and 4x fx2!
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DD, Wilson, and VooDoo all make 16" lightweight contour AR barrels with mid-length gas that weigh in right at 1 1/2 pounds. Midwest lightweight handguards are 1/2 pound, and very slender.
I'm not sure you can 5 pounds, but you can get close.
You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it.
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It'd be tough to beat a Montucky 223 for Utility. I'd happily chop one to 20".
It would be NICE,if Woofs chased Dogs and it were a problem!..................(grin)
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
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Montucky 223/.243/.257, they would all kill wolves just fine.
You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it.
You cannot over estimate the unimportance of nearly everything. John Maxwell
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Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
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Montana .223 with a 4x33 scope, shooting 65 gr. GKs or similar.
Not going to make your weight, but plenty light. BTDT. He really wants to push the weight down.
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If a Montana is "too heavy",go TacSol or similar Ruger pistole,wearing a good dot...............
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
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He is 79; his pistol shooting is not as fluid as it used to be.
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Why chase unobtanium .
Lever action 22 mag..
I replace valve cover gaskets every 50K, if they don't need them sooner...
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The noise would do it.
Unless a 22LR Pistole is a Woof Call...then I'll be adding to the herd..............(grin)
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
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All my Rimfire levers are heavier than that................
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
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The only AR lighter than a Montana or close to the same weight, is a S&W 15-22 and I'd rather run a Montana.
AR's are not light. Even my Colt light weight weighs 7 lbs with an ACOG on top.
I really love AR's but for LW, I carry one of my Montana's.
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Just might be guilty of same.............
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
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light 22 or 22 mag, scoped. Noise will do it and if not a few hits with a 22 mag should get anything out there headed the ohter way.
I"d really be thinking pistol myself.... but you noted his shooting is not that good anymore, though I'd offer to think that optics could change that...
We can keep Larry Root and all his idiotic blabber and user names on here, but we can't get Ralph back..... Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, over....
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M1 Carbine, maybe with a rail and red dot, comes close to your criteria. Weight would seem to be the biggest hurdle.
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Personally, I'd simply buy a Noveske Thunder Ranch and put an Aimpoint H-1 in a Larue LT660 mount. http://www.shopnoveske.com/collections/rifles/products/thunder-ranch-rifleHey Wait, I own precisely that combination and it is my very favorite AR. I LOVE IT. The all-up weight is a little over six-pounds, which is pretty darned light, considering. Good luck with your choice, kd
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