Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Handguns All this talk of obsolete .357s

I just had to bring one home. A 1989 vintage Ruger GP100, 4" blued. It was a foreign contract gun (CAI import stamp), that has holster wear but not much sign of having been fired often. A very nice trigger and action job done to it (feels like a S&W K-frame trigger both SA and DA), and a brand new tritium front sight. $300, out the door.

Night stand, vehicle, and field duty.

There are 500 158 LSWCs in the locker, with 2# of BlueDot, 1/2 pound of 2400, and more Unique than I'll likely ever shoot.

I think I like "obsolete" prices.

A good gun at a good price for sure. I own many and have not shot anything but 38's in them since 1984. A lot of piercing, ear bleeding noise IME. Huh?

That's a good deal.



Travis

Yes.

I really like the GP100. Always wanted one in stainless with 6" full lug barrel, but stumbled into a new blued, 6" short lug about 15 years ago for the bargain price of $275 and just couldn't pass it up.

Darned good shooting gun that I've made some very lucky shots with.

I used to have a 4" stainless GP100 from the same time period - great shooting revolver and wouldn't mind owning another. I've been re-discovering the "obsolete" .357 myself over the past year...

If I ever decided to buy another .357 mag I think I would go with a GP100 myself. Ruger has some great videos on their site on how to take down the revolver for inspection and cleaning for dummies -R-us. It's a real combat revolver.

I have a 6" GP100 in Stainless. It is one of my favorite handguns to shoot.

I bought it from a friend for $300 when my shotgun died a violent death while working as a moose packer when I was in my 20's. It was that or nothing. Approaching moose kill sites through thick brush with large bears claiming the meat/gut piles with nothing but a 357 and JHP's makes you feel kind of small and is something I dont care to repeat too many more times in my life..LOL..You truly are invincible, er, ignorant, when you are 23 y.o.......

They'll never be anything "obsolete" about the 357 Magnum. It's a keeper!

I've had two of the 4" stainless GP100's and a 2.25" SP101 along the way. Great revolvers in my opinion.

Currently have a 4" blue Security Six, not a bad all-arounder.


An LCR and 6" GP100 would make a nice duo.

Nice snag on that 357. I have discovered that the grips Ruger puts on their Alaskan models will also fit the standard GP100.

I have fairly large mitts, but they fit me just right.

Try this one for a good read:

"My Friend, the .357"

You can make remarks about the ancestry of my dog. have your doubts about the gas mileage toted up by my family sedan. Spread the story, if you wish, that my backyard barbecues could be best digested by a brood of Arkansas razorbacks. But if you cast aspersions on my .357 Magnum sixgun, get somebody to hold your coat. We'll continue the discussion in the alley.
I can hoist on his own petard the writer who claimed that the .357 cartridge has never achieved significance as a hunting round. The police brass who deny the usefulness of this gun and cartridge for law enforcement purposes can be set straight with a few terse observations. Experts who say the load is too powerful and experts who proclaim it less potent than a river rock from little David's slingshot will scurry for their basslistics tables if confronted by factual data on the private life of this great load.

It was conceived as a hunting cartridge by Douglas B. Wesson, one of the heirs to the giant Smith & Wesson firm. With the aid of ballistician Phil Sharpe, Wesson discovered that the S&W .38-44 Outdoorsman, a .38 Special mounted on the old .44 Special frame, would withstand extra ordinarily high pressures. This quality was not a mysterious one; it was the simple sum of the thick cylinder walls and modern metals that made up the handsom, target-sighted Outdoorsman.

Sharpe's handloads, featuring a semiwadcutter cast bullet over a heavy helping of Hercules 2400 rifle powder, gave velocity and long-range accuracy that had never before been realized in a revolver. During the experimental stages, Wesson killed almost every type of North American big game with hisbrainchild, justifying it as a hunting arm even before it went into production.

The .357 Magnum was formally introduced in 1935, along with a cartridge by Winchester. Bullet weight was 158 grains and diameter .357 inch - same as the .38 Special. The .357 cartridge case was approximately 1/10th inch longer than that of the .38 Special to prevent the more powerful round from being chambered in skimpier .38 Special cylinders.

The Smith & Wesson Magnum was initially offered with a selection of 3 1/2, four, five, six, 6 1/2, 7 1/2, and 8 3/4-inch barrels. It featured a deluxe, high-polish blue job and checkering along its topstrap and barrel rib. The rear sight, slightly different from the S&W micrometer design of today, was adjustable for windage and elevation by means of opposing set screws. A selection of front sight styles was available, including bead insert Patridge types and the then-new sloping Baughman quickdraw model mounted on a King ramp. The action was of the pre-World War II type which had a longer hammer throw than the short-action S&W revolver of today. A "humpbacked" hammer was offered on a special-order basis and was perferred by many who had difficulty in manipulating the rather small, standard hammer spur.

The first Winchester cartridges were hot as a depot stove, with pressures running higher than 40,000 ft-lbs. Velocity of these power-houses ran around 1425 fps when fired from an 8 3/4-inch revolver, higher in unvented pressure barrels. Today's factory loadings generally fall short of the initial Winchester offerings, both in the velocity and pressure departments.

The factory .357 cartridge has done a lot to encourage handloading. It is a notorious barrel leader, leaving thick, accuracy-spoiling deposits of bullet metal scabbed up in teh rifling after very few shots. Serious shooters who want to be able to fire long strings without scrubbing the bore after every eight or 10 rounds have turned to putting together their own loads. These feature well-lubricated cast bullets of an extra-hard bullet metal. My favorite answer to the .357 leading bugaboo has been the use of Lyman's 358156 gascheck bullets, a Ray Thompson design. Properly cast, sized, and lubricated, this semiwadcutter slug approximates the shape of the Phil Sharpe original and sports a copper-shielded base that resists the hot gasses of the magnum powder charges. It is an exceptionally clean-shooting, accurate bullet for both light and heavily stoked .357 cartridges.

With this bullet, in both solid and hollowpoint form, I have proven to my own satisfaction that the .357 is a fine hunting pistol. Shooting a variety of Smith & Wesson, Ruger, and Colt magnums, I have killed mule deer and javelina in Mexico, antelope and turkey in Texas. My .357 has put the coup de grace to a great many head of heavy slaughter steers and big hamburger bulls, top hogs, sheep, and goats. With proper bullets, I have put ducks, Canadian geese, cottontail rabbits, and bullfrogs on my table.

I once ate a tough old White Leghorn rooster who had the misfortune to be left at an abandoned farmhouse where I made a dry camp. My .357 took his head off.

Turning to varmint hunting, I can testify that the .357 Magnum loaded with hollowpoint bullets offeres all the destructive qualities needed at ranges up to 100 yards. Jackrabbits hit solidly with such a load are turned to mush. The plains coyotes I have killed with it have required no second shot when the first was placed anywhere in the thorax or abdominal cavity. One eagle and perhaps a hundred chicken hawks have dropped to my magnum bullets.

And my experience with this cartridge is by no means unusual. My friend, the late Dewey Hicks, was a find pistol shot and avid hunter. Dewey killed boht deer and coyotes with my .357 handloads. He once took an outing with a northern New Mexico rancher. Dewey wanted an elk, but the cowboy was looking for a muley buck for camp meat. He toted a worn, six-inch Smith .357 in a brush-scarred hip holster but was a little worried about his ability to kill a deer with the only loads he had - six rounds of .38 Special wadcutters.

My friend presented him with a double handful of my favorite handloads, made from a recipe of the 358156 hollowpoint bullet held in its lower crimping groove by a Remington .38 Special case. The powder charge was 13.5 grains of 2400 fused with CCI Small Pistol primers. A few hours after loading up with these homebrews, the cowboy tumbled a running buck with a single shot through the spine at 50 yards.

These tall-but-true tales could continue, but for what? Saying the .357 is insignificant as a hunting round is like saying that sourmash bourbon constitutes an unimportant factor in the diet of man. Maybe, but ain't there lots of it being put to use?

Almost all the objections to the .357 as a police weapon come from city police departments. It is argued, with some justification, that an officer who fires a magnum in a crowded city is more likely to kill innocent non-combatives than the would be if armed with a standard .38 Special. Not much mention is given to the fact that the same officer runs a hell of a lot more risk of being killed himself when his low-powered .38 fails to put an armed opponent out of action.

The .357 can, when necessary, be loaded down to any desired velocity level that will preclude unwanted penetration and yet offer a very good stopping power with proper bullets.

The Texas Department of Public Safety and the U.S. Border Patrol have accepted the .357 as standard for the patrol officers. Many of these well-trained cops frequently work in crowded, metropolitian areas. Those that do find it a simple thing to load their magnums with medium-velocity handloads, sometimes with expanding bullets that are good manstoppers but which won't penetrate dangerously. These thinking cops carry full-powered "maggie" loads in the bullet loops of their Sam Brown belts. If the need arises to stop a car of rouse out a barricaded gunman, they can do it.

The long suit of the .357 is its versatility in handling a wide range of special-purpose cartridges. These range from powder-puff .38 Special target loads to full-powered hunting rounds of up to 1600 fps velocity.

I have used many different bullet styles besides the Lyman 358156, although it as remained nearest my heart. A flatnosed semiwadcutter bullet performs best in the .357, especially in heavier loads, and several other good designs are available. In preparing to load for this caliber, some thought should be given to the use of the swaged half-jacket bullets, although I have found them to be generally less satisfactory than good cast bullets, due to their leading qualities and to their greater expense.

Below is a table of my favorite .357 loads, seperated into three categories. The first two section, light loads and medium loads, can be put up in either .38 Special or .357 cases. I generally load these in .38 Special cases so they can be redily identified and also because the .38 brass is cheaper. The third section, heavy loads, should be assembled in sound, clean .357 cases. While not each is a maximum load, they perform better than any other combinations of the same bullet and powder that I have tried. Bullets used are .357-inch diameter. Velocities are estimated to be those obtained in a 8 3/8-inch-barreled revolver.

Since so many varying factors aply to make the results of handloading good, indifferent, or disastrous, neither Shooting Times nor I can be responsible for results obtained by the reader. I can only say that these loads have been safe and useful in my guns.

.357 Light Loads
Bullet (Grs.) (Type) Velocity (fps)
Lyman 158-gr 358156 5.3 Unique 900
Lyman 150-gr 357446 hp 5.0 5066 950
Lyman 170-gr 358429 3.5 Bullseye 850
150-gr. swaged half jacket 5.0 Unique 900
.357 Medium Loads
Bullet (Grs.) (Type) Velocity(fps)
Lyman 158-gr 358156 13.5 2400 1200
Lyman 150-gr. 358156 HP 13.5 2400 1250
Lyman 150-gr 358156 HP 7.0 Unique 1250
Lyman 170-gr 358429 6.0 Unique 1150
Lyman 158-gr 357466 5.0 Red Dot 1000
Lyman 158-gr 357466 12.0 4759 1250
150-gr swaged half jacket 7.5 Unique 1300
.357 Heavy Loads
Bullet (Grs.) (Type) Velocity(fps)
Lyman 150-gr 358156 HP 15.5 2400 1500
Lyman 158-gr 358156 15.0 2400 1450
Lyman 150-gr 358156 HP 15.0 4227 1400
Lyman 158-gr 158156 8.0 Unique 1400
Lyman 150-gr 358156 HP 14.0 Sharpshooter 1600
Lyman 158-gr 357466 14.5 2400 1450
Lyman 170-gr 358429 14.5 2400 1400
Lyman 170-gr 358429 13.5 H2400 1350
150-gr swaged half jacket 14.5 2400 1400
This list, of course, is by no means a comprehensive selection of .357 loads. It merely represents some that have worked well in my experience. Powder charges listed here may be used with other bullet of the same weight and similar design, but it is well to remember that a plainbase bullet, such as the 357466, will give higher pressures with teh same powder charge than the gaschecked 358156. Too, a bullet case of soft alloy will show higher pressures and more barrel leading than one composed of a hard mixture, such as 1:10 tin to lead.

Barrel lengths affect muzzle velocities, but not as much as you may think. Longer barrels do a better job of burning the slow powders necessary for magnum loads, and many hunters buy guns with uncomfortably long barrels in order to squeeze the last foot-second of velocity from their loads.

Tests have shown that in cutting a 8 3/8-inch-barreled Smith .357 off one inch at a time, only about 35 fps velocity is lost for each inch removed when factory or high-velocity handloads are fired. This means that the shooter who carries a 8 3/8-inch model that gives 1500 fps would still get 1415 fps out of a six-inch revolver and 1435 fps if he chopped her down to four inches. The game he shoots isn't likely to know the difference, and the maggie man should pick the barrel length that he can shoot best, and carry most comfortably.

In the middle '30s, the Smith & Wesson was the only sixgun chambered in .357. Colt didn't seem especially interested in the cartridge but did produce a few Model P single actions in that caliber, along with a sprinkling of New Service and Shooting Master double actions with its .45 frame. These prewar Colts are now collector's items.

Today Smith & Wesson offers it's old original model, slightly refined, as well as a less highly finished version of the same gun, called the Highway Patrolman. Advances in metallurgy have enabled Smith & Wesson to chamber it's .38 Special revolver for the .357 cartridge, and it holds forth as the Combat Magnum, filled up with target sights and a heavy, ribbed barrel.

Colt sells .357 sixguns in the form of the old Model P single action and its target-sighted offspring, the New Frontier. The Python, an improved version of the famous .38 Officers Model target revolver, is the top gun in the Colt line and one of the most popular .357's used by police. The Trooper is a less fancy version, competing with the S&W Highway Patrolman in price.

Sturm, Ruger & Co. came out with its .357 Blackhawk in 1955, and it is an extremely practical, durable hunting arm. Intercontinental Arms of Los Angeles imports the Dakota, a good replica of the Colt single action from Italy that can be had in .357. Intercontinental also sells a sturdy derringer in the same caliber.

All of these handguns are strong and accurate. At one time or another, I have carried each of them at my side on hunting trips or in law-enforcement work. If i had to choose just one gun to side me for the rest of my life, be it handgun, rifle or shotgun, I would select a .357 Magnum revolver.

So if youre in a critical mood, pal, lay off my .357 - it's an old friend of mine.

Skeeter Skelton, June 1988

Excellent article, and written by a man of an era that could write, did, and wrote about that which he knew and did.

Sad that those days are long gone.

Just like the price of gas these days, much is based on speculation.

Agreed.

I do have to admit, however, to having an idea of keeping an eye out for another GP100 in the same or less price range and sending to it to Clements for a 10mm Auto conversion. I thought about .41 Special, but a 6-shot 10 with moon clips and .40S&W capability covers everything a .41 Special could do and then some.

This one, though, will stay .357

That would be a sweet bastid. I'm a 10mm fan from way back.

One other interesting thing about the .357. I have not made, but bought 200grain and 230 grain lead pills for it. That 230 grain is right up there or more than the typical .45acp 230grain load.
They can fire from light to real heavy without an issue.
https://www.pennbullets.com/38/CAS-38.html

A good quality DA revolver chambered for the 357 Magnum cartridge is one handgun that I would never want to be without.

DoubleTap makes an excellent hunting load using a 200 gr WFNGC bullet in .357. I don't know the velocity they are getting but they shot well in my S&W 66 and 686, though they were pretty snappy. I found a box of those same bullets for handloading and they look like they would penetrate through anything.

My only two .357s ...were a Highway Patrolman bought new and a Ruger Speed Six 2 3/4" sample gun when I was a salesman. That kind of dates me. Twenty years without one ended with a FA 9 1/2. The only handgun that can make me giggle to shoot. The 454s stay quiet more now a days. 180s @ 1600 with gravity extraction.