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Can we truly hope to maintain this level of existence which we now enjo?

(Oil is the source for so many many of the items we rely upon in todays world. I think we might be missing the boat to think that oil is simply about energy.)

Not at all which is why we and the others continue to invest in 30+ year projects.

The world would be a a far more difficult, and probably brutal place, without oil.

True statement.
Yet 300,000 wandered aimlessly in NYC to demonstrate their belief in man-caused climate change. One of the marchers was the Secretary-General of the UN himself.
Lots of signs......some reading "Leave Oil in the Ground", "Fracking = Death", "Fracking Kills".
I wonder how many would have been rat food last winter without heating oil or natural gas. Last time i heard the concrete jungle doesn't produce that many BTU's.

To quote a bumper sticker from the early days of oil exploration in Alaska when the environmentalists from the liberal colleges were trying to stop all drilling:

"Let them eat their lobster in the dark"

People are taught to think emotionally, not logically. This leads to really stupid decisions.

Ed

Go oil. Gonna buy me some transocean soon.

Yeah - and on tables of bare wood w/ linen cloth covers.

Gone will be the "ethanol acres" replaced by fields of flax and cotton, pasturelands for sheep, and fields of hay. (No more poly or nylon clothing; vinyl siding will be history. So will paint for all but the very wealthy. Plumbing will be copper, iron, lead, and clay once again. Bottled water will come in glass or aluminum - if at all.)

Surely oil is bad.

damned hard to live where I live, without oil, and natural gas. All of our food is hauled in, by truck, on the interstate. except tomatoes for a month from the garden. Firewood is chainsaw cut, and hauled from the forest, 5-15 miles one way.

Electric is mostly coal and hydro, but without food and home heat, we would have to move.

People lived here before oil, on beef and beans, and corn,beans and squash before that. but it didn't look like fun!

Sycamore

It inspires me that Leo DiCaprio sacrificed so much in leaving the yacht he borrowed from an oil sheik and took a private jet to join the plebs in protesting fracking and climate change.

So much so that I now plan an ascetic life of following him a and picking up his discarded whole foods quinoa burrito wrappers and big gulp cups. As long as I don't have to sit too close to the toilet on his private jet.

Climate change skeptics call out marchers� �hypocrisies�

Of all the oil ever consumed by man, 95%+ has been consumed in my lifetime......born at start of WWII. It is difficult to imagine a child born today being able to enjoy affordable energy for the next 70 years.

Just too many people on this old mud ball and there will probably be a reduction that quantity some day.

actually since my daddy was born in the city you live in, and my daddy's daddy was there in the 1890's, they got around perfectly well in a buckboard with two mules. And the diet was pretty much beef, beans, corn etc. plenty of wood around there to keep you warm with a cross cut two man saw, axes, and the like. Cept it probably wasn't too much fun hitting the outhouse up there by the present day hospital in december when the wind was blowing with all that white stuff all over the place.
personally i prefer the thermostat.

For a minute, I thought you'd run out out of seal oil Kilk . . .

Our entire agricultural system basically turns fossil fuels into food. Without oil/gas billions will die. While renewables sound cool they are hardly a replacement.

Well, actually.....

The earth may make new oil as a geological process, look up abiogenetic petroleum. It's complex and theoretical, but there may exist a hydrocarbon cycle similar to the water cycle, wherein the earth's mantel produces heat and pressure that in the presence of mineral catalysts, gasses and microbes becomes upward migrating veins of petroleum that pool in fractured rock. While it is speculative, the biomass theory has not been conclusively proven either. Then again there may be more than one natural process producing oil. So, while scientists argue about it, we are left to wonder.

a relative owns some land up just south of the grand canyon. Few years ago a public meeting was held, as some alternative power company wanted to put wind turbines on the land. This was not highly thought of by residents. It took about 90days from start to finish before the turbines started showing up. Amazing for the process to work that fast. Now the funny part was that I believe the intent was to sell the power to the local statewide power co. Didn't happen.
We kept thinking it was a good idea in one respect. Maybe some of those california condors would hit this turbines, get shreaded, and make winter feed for the coyotes.

Actually the term is "abiogenic."

Anbiogenetic has to do with the the spontaneous origin of life.

While probably true, the rate of generation is dwarfed by the current rate of consumption.

The big myth is the idea of peak oil, gee if you wanted to you could take a tree and if you wanted to exert enough heat and pressure, you could make oil, of course you would spend more energy that you would get but it could be done, the Germans made a distillate fuel from coal during the second world war, we have plenty of coal deposits here in the states and else were, never mind the natural gas deposits and the ability to bring it to market, there is a world wide shortage of refining capacity but that is a solvable thing, all it takes is just will to build them, there will aways be oil and in enough quanities to be affordable for the near term and by near term another 200 or so years at least, by then things like fuel cells will become affordable and an every day thing, wind mills well they work some of the time on a real small scale, but not on the scale that we would need to abandon oil, coal, gas and Nuclear!

Without oil life would be nasty, brutish, and short.