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A couple of years ago I was in the clinic for my yearly physical and Doc said he has a new Cooper 52 25-06 that he really likes and was especially excited about the handload he settled on. I asked him what bullet and velocity? He said Nosler PT 115 grain, but he did not know the velocity. I told him to come out to my place sometime and run the load thru my chronograph. The day came and I brought a Ruger 77 tanger 257 Roberts with my handloads of the Nosler 115 grain Partition. His 24" bbl Cooper beat my 22" bbl Ruger by an average of 37 fps. He was even more tickled about the Cooper. 
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roundoak there is about that much more difference between them when you shoot them at animals, too...  There isn't anything wrong with the 25/06...just not enough "right" to care about. IMHO, of course. 
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Sharman: If you are intent on using inferior wares for your hunting, I'm the last to stop you.By al means, have at it! The vision of an overweight pig of a rifle chambered for a "BG cartridge wannabe" ,the only attribute of which is that it kicks less than a 30/06, is hilarious That you have never killed anything with it, but it makes you "happy",adds to the amusement. Since you have never owned a 270,you aren't in much of a position to evaluate how it compares to a 25/06, are you?. I got a feeling you have not shot much of anything and have killed even less with anything.  Post back up in a decade, if, as ,and when you ever get this stuff figured out....you're doing really well so far...  [video:youtube]Xyh-JpWdGmQ[/video]
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Geez bob. Best stick impression yet. Maybe go a little easier?
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Lots of factory rifles have sloppy chambers, in the neck area, and sometimes one can improve/tighten the neck clearance, by necking down a larger case.
The .300 Savage is like that; many of the Savages I've owned had .008-.010" neck clearance in the chamber. Neck down .308 brass and you get .005 to .006" clearance, which is better.
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I thought about the .25-06 for awhile, but after using a .297-250 can't figure why I'd need one.
OTOH, it is a quarter bore and a fella can't ever have too many of them. And it's not gay.
I am..........disturbed.
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roundoak there is about that much more difference between them when you shoot them at animals, too... There isn't anything wrong with the 25/06...just not enough "right" to care about. IMHO, of course. Bob, I have a Ruger 77 tanger LT (long throat) that would most likely hurl the 115 grain Noslers to match Doc's velocity or exceed it, but glad I did not chrony it that day along with his loads. Doc's happy and that's what counts. 
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Lots of assumptions about 25-06's having to be heavy.
Mine is under 6.5 lbs
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His 24" bbl Cooper beat my 22" bbl Ruger by an average of 37 fps. He was even more tickled about the Cooper. I've loaded my 25-06's down on several occasions to match the .257 Roberts.
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. . . and just so you know, I really enjoy turning 270 WIN into 25-06. I especially like the way the little brass cases seem to scream as they are transformed into a thing of beauty and utility. It is not unlike an ugly caterpillar becoming a butterfly.
I even tape a 270 WIN cartridge to the post next to my press, so that it can hear the screams and know it is going to get it last. Then I throw a party for the 25-06 cases and put nice shiny bullets on them like party hats and wipe them down and put them in a nice clean ammo case so that all the un-processed 270 WIN cases in their dungeon of a cardboard box will be jealous. I let the newly transformed 25-06 mingle with my 30-06 and 35 Whelen loads a bit so they feel righteous being with real ammunition. Then we all go out and dance under a full moon my ammunition and me. Until we retire to the gazebo where we all have a feast of Chianti and Fava bean casserole (thpthpthpthpthp!)
There. I said it.
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Neck it down 1 more time, to 6mm, install some 87gr. V-maxes or 85gr. TSXs, and THEN it becomes sexy.......... ![[Linked Image]](http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p32/2muchgun/A4260835-5101-4863-B8AC-E77EE2A64BD8-1025-00000113FD738F3E.jpg)
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I sometimes use the short action 25-06, called the 25-284. It shines with 100gr bullets at 3,300fps or so. Recoil is low. It makes a nice do-all chambering for deer and hogs where shots are fast and a flat trajectory is helpful. The 100gr E-Tip is a good killer with a relatively sleek profile. It digs deep.
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Neck it down 1 more time, to 6mm, install some 87gr. V-maxes or 85gr. TSXs, and THEN it becomes sexy.......... Or just shoot 80 grain TTSXs, 85 grain Ballistic Tips, or 75 grain Vmaxs in the 25-06, outrun the 6-06 in the process, and have factory ammo availability when you don't feel like reloading.
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I've got one in a 1903. Great gun and cartridge. 100 gr TTSX shoot very well and the deer haven't complained. Also have a 257 Roberts that I'll be breaking in this year.
Broncos are officially the worst team in the nation this year.
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None of the bullets you mention have nearly the same BC as the 87 V-max. Given the same weights, the 6mm will always have the higher BC and exhibit less wind drift accordingly.......
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Not having had near the experience of many here, I find the twenty-fives to be quite useful, accurate, and fun to shoot. The current .25-06 is a Savage 116 with a 24" sporter contour Pac-nor and 1:9 twist. Just because. Light to carry, light recoil, heavy hitting on deer and antelope. What's not to like?
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Took my first deer with a 270 in 1961. Got my first 2506 and '64. I have used them both a lot since then. if there's any difference on a deer between a 270 with a 130 grain and a 2506 with a similarly constructed 120 grain, I have never been able to see it. the only difference is the recoil of the 2506 ( or a 257AI) is such that I can watch the impact of the bullet. that's a significant advantage in my opinion. Bob, you're mighty grumpy this morning.
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I�d like to add to the conversation but need to clear my throat first...
GACK! GACK GACK GACK! Snoorrrrtttttt....GACK!
That�s better, but now I forgot what I was going to say. Oh well.
Gunnery, gunnery, gunnery.
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None of the bullets you mention have nearly the same BC as the 87 V-max. Given the same weights, the 6mm will always have the higher BC and exhibit less wind drift accordingly....... Something to the tune of 1" less drift at 300 yards. Big whoop. I'll take the additional selection of big game bullets available for the 25 every time. If I'm burning that much powder in the 6mm or 25 bore size, it's going to be for a hunting gun anyway.
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. . . and just so you know, I really enjoy turning 270 WIN into 25-06. I especially like the way the little brass cases seem to scream as they are transformed into a thing of beauty and utility. It is not unlike an ugly caterpillar becoming a butterfly.
I even tape a 270 WIN cartridge to the post next to my press, so that it can hear the screams and know it is going to get it last. Then I throw a party for the 25-06 cases and put nice shiny bullets on them like party hats and wipe them down and put them in a nice clean ammo case so that all the un-processed 270 WIN cases in their dungeon of a cardboard box will be jealous. I let the newly transformed 25-06 mingle with my 30-06 and 35 Whelen loads a bit so they feel righteous being with real ammunition. Then we all go out and dance under a full moon my ammunition and me. Until we retire to the gazebo where we all have a feast of Chianti and Fava bean casserole (thpthpthpthpthp!)
There. I said it.
You must enjoy trimming cases a heck of a lot more than I do.
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