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Translation = We want to be able to judge and condemn homosexuals for their sin of homosexuality, even though we remain sinners ourselves. We want to be able to condemn and judge homosexuals for their 'continuation' in sin, even though we 'continue' to be sinners ourselves. And when someone points out the hypocrisy of 'that'...we will accuse them of 'judging' us.

Yet you somehow think this is a moral?

Translation: I want to be able to judge and condemn people who express an opinion different than mine by blaming their faith, even though I am judging them in a fashion I condemn them for doing. I want to be able to condemn and judge people for their 'continuation' in their unchanging view, even though I 'continue' to be a stubborn ass as well. And when someone points out the hypocrisy of 'that'...I will accuse them of 'judging' me.

If you were here with me this morning it would have been a fried egg sandwich with a couple of sausage links and black coffee.

Would that work?

I reckon' we could also accuse our pastors for 'judging' us when they point out certain things in their sermons that 'sting' us individually. Seems to be real important to many Bible Taliban to be able to condemn...not "express an opinion", but condemn...homosexuals for their sin. Not drunks, liars, cheaters, or any other sin that exists (especially their own)...just homosexuals. And the Bible Taliban will go to great lengths, obviously, to justify their hatred of homosexuals...while at the same time loudly professing their 'Christianity'.

It is narrow minded to see this as a one issue focus.

My current pastor spends no more time on homosexuality than any other sin. Pretty well hammers them all. Adultery, excess, materialism, coveting, stealing, you name it. Spends a lot of time on pride and denial though.

My previous one never mentioned homosexuality at all. Ever.

Turns out his son was gay.

Maybe many folks wouldn't be so inclined to keep posting about it all the time, if it wasn't being overtly publicized in day to day everything.

I don't see groups promoting murder, or thievery, or many other actions primarily considered sin in Christian culture, but you can't go a day without somebody suing for or promoting a protected class based on what some folks consider a sin.

How is that not going to get people mad enough to vent via posting?

What's worse is why, unless you have a vested interest, does it bother you so much.

If you really are just a crusader against hypocrisy, than you have plenty of other material to choose from. By making the issue single topic, you are presenting as a biased source.

If you are a biased source, maybe its your bias, or the extent that other people's bias affects you that needs addressing.

edit: For the record, I think its a sin, but I have more important things to worry about.

And if I bow up publically against it, its not because of the sin, its because someone has decided that I must feel different about it, under penalty of law.

That's [bleep] bullshit.

Translation = We want to be able to judge and condemn homosexuals for their sin of homosexuality, even though we remain sinners ourselves. We want to be able to condemn and judge homosexuals for their 'continuation' in sin, even though we 'continue' to be sinners ourselves. And when someone points out the hypocrisy of 'that'...we will accuse them of 'judging' us.

I'm not quite sure what you mean here but it' not what I or you think is right or wrong or some kind of standard unless it's predicated on the Word of God; it's His universe; His rules. To cut to the elements, I refer to John 3:16, which allows the Shinto doctor, the Muslim, and the atheist to be saved in the end if they come to Christ in intellectual assent AND trust for payment of sins.

But this thread took an off-ramp somewhere a couple of miles back. In my OP, I was simply trying to make the point that those of us in this country with traditional, conservative values, whether practicing Christians or not, are losing it. And it may be inevitable as I've come to generally see politics, politicians and government as primarily concerned with self-preservation and unable or unwilling to divert that interest to solving real problems.

Additionally, we now have an elite, political ideology-media complex that is increasingly hostile to conservatism and our way of life. And that is the cold, new civil war I was referring to.

sick, twisted, messed up jerk

George, and the rare creature know as a libertarian minded Conservative atheist, I agree with your last two paragraphs. I do not agree with what I perceived as your contention in the OP that it's necessary to be Christian to stand for small government, self reliance, earning your own way, and as a nation, living withing our means. Unfortunately, history indicates a real crisis must present itself before we will be able to correct our course.

Antelope, no "that" was not my contention. I did specifically mention and do know that non-Christians can generally share the same socio-economic-political values as Christians; I.e., the ones you mention. Absolutely. Now, honestly, ask yourself about the origin of those values.

I'll stop here because you obviously speak unknowingly. And that's not a criticism of you but we have no basis for conversing meaningfully.

In the NT, Jesus in the Sermon on the Mount (the Gospels) made it very clear that if you hate your "brother," you've broken the commandment, "you shall not murder."

"If you lust after another "in your heart", you've committed adultery."

Still innocent?

Antelope, I'm willing to discuss if you are seriously interested in learning and coming to Christ but not if you are bent on refuting that which you don't understand.